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Donnie Hockey
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 Posted - 01/08/2010 : 12:34:31 AM
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You really look silly. The SPHL for a market which pays AHL prices for a sub ECHL product!! LOL.
Same thing was said when the Komets left the former Triple-A level IHL for the UHL and yet the fans still came out to support their beloved team. Ticket prices remained the same, too! |
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Gordon Bombay
(The Next Level!)
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Posted - 01/08/2010 : 02:58:47 AM
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Originally posted by hrc666
Do you really think that the Frankes are going to dump their team in the SPHL? It's a step down the quality ladder and Fort Wayne is so far outside the geographical footprint that it's ridiculous. The fact that you even think that anyone could give this credibility is simply ish.
I'm not saying Ft. Wayne is joining the SPHL or would, but when I met you, you were making the case that "people here don't care about the level of play" when defending the point that despite the ECHL being lower than the AHL Mighty Ducks, fans still come out. |
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hrc666
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Posted - 01/08/2010 : 03:45:39 AM
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Originally posted by Gordon Bombay
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Originally posted by hrc666
Do you really think that the Frankes are going to dump their team in the SPHL? It's a step down the quality ladder and Fort Wayne is so far outside the geographical footprint that it's ridiculous. The fact that you even think that anyone could give this credibility is simplyish.
I'm not saying Ft. Wayne is joining the SPHL or would, but when I met you, you were making the case that "people here don't care about the level of play" when defending the point that despite the ECHL being lower than the AHL Mighty Ducks, fans still come out.
Think for yourself. Mr.self-appointed expert on all things hockey's ability to read a map is obviously not very good.
Look at a map of where the SPHL teams are located. Fort Wayne is probably 500 miles from the closest team (Knoxville). The entire notion of the Komets joining this league is simply ridiculous. Would they fly to Mississippi, Louisianna and Pensacola every month?
Level of play doesn't matter *to a point*. The difference between A and AA is much more pronounced than AA and AAA. Fort Wayne fans have also become accustomed to a level of play and have supported it exceptionally well. An ownership decision to play at a lower level would involve an exceptional amount of risk. It wouldn't be rational for the owners of the Komets to incur such risk. The downside to doing so would be greater than the upside. The upside, btw, is nothing. Lower salary cost would be negated by increased travel.
Another point the hockey "genius" fails to recognize is that the SPHL plays a 56 game season. That's 8 less very profitable home dates for Ft. Wayne than they'd have in the ECHL. But, I'll excuse him. Other than the fluky early Cyclone years, donnie hockey wasn't involved with franchises which did anything but hemmorage red ink. And lots of it. Profitability is a foreign concept to his hockey experience. LOL.
Would Ft. Wayne fans support an A level team? Yes. Would they support an A level team as much as the current level? Very doubtful. Would they support an A level team as well as they do an AA level team at current ticket pricing levels? No.
If you think that my intuition on this is wrong, then you could just float a topic pertaining to the feasibility of SPHL hockey in Ft. Wayne on intotheboards.
If the IHL folds after this season, then the Komets would end up in either the ECHL or CHL. The ECHL would be a better geographical fit, but the CHL is less affiliate driven and allows a franchise more independence and continuity of players. The CHL is also a bit lower level than the ECHL.
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"The only way David Desharnais will see an NHL game is if he buys a ticket".
--donnie hockey
"David Desharnais will be invisible during 5 on 5 hockey. IN THE AHL"
--donnie hockey
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Gordon Bombay
(The Next Level!)
USA
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Posted - 01/08/2010 : 04:48:06 AM
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Originally posted by hrc666
Think for yourself. Mr.self-appointed expert on all things hockey's ability to read a map is obviously not very good.
Take a chill pill man.
Like I said the first time, I wasn't claiming Fort Wayne would move to the SPHL, just that it seems, as you pointed out before, that the level of hockey doesn't always matter to the fans. The Komets are a mainstay in Ft. Wayne, depending on which league they'd join I'd seem them continuing to draw well from their strong local base even if it was a lower league.
I've always wondered why Ft. Wayne ownership went with the UHL, now IHL, instead of the ECHL or an AHL franchise. A Ft. Wayne/Dayton/Cincinnati rivalry would've made for some good roadtrips. |
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Edited by - Gordon Bombay on 01/08/2010 04:48:55 AM |
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Donnie Hockey
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Posted - 01/08/2010 : 08:01:41 AM
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Originally posted by hrc666
Other than the fluky early Cyclone years, donnie hockey wasn't involved with franchises which did anything but hemmorage red ink. And lots of it. Profitability is a foreign concept to his hockey experience. LOL.
But I was involved with a franchise that, despite trailing 7,000 to 0 in fan support when they started in 1997, knocked the mighty Cyclones name and logo out of business twice. Profitability has been a foreign concept to teams using the Cyclones name since I left them in 1996. LOL.
The Komets would not be the only team joining the SPHL. You'd see four or five other IHL teams going with them to form a new conference and it would be no different than the ECHL having teams in California, Idaho, Alaska, etc. Obviously hrc666 isn't aware that discussions of a merger between those two leagues has been discussed. Current SPHL teams would increase their schedule to 72 games if this takes place. |
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Edited by - Donnie Hockey on 01/08/2010 09:41:28 AM |
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Donnie Hockey
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Posted - 01/08/2010 : 08:07:39 AM
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| Take Gordon's advice and take a chill pill, hrc666. |
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Edited by - Donnie Hockey on 01/08/2010 08:10:19 AM |
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Donnie Hockey
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Posted - 01/08/2010 : 08:09:09 AM
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Edited by - Donnie Hockey on 01/08/2010 08:13:07 AM |
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hrc666
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Posted - 01/08/2010 : 12:57:27 PM
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Originally posted by Donnie Hockey
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Originally posted by hrc666
Other than the fluky early Cyclone years, donnie hockey wasn't involved with franchises which did anything but hemmorage red ink. And lots of it. Profitability is a foreign concept to his hockey experience. LOL.
But I was involved with a franchise that, despite trailing 7,000 to 0 in fan support when they started in 1997, knocked the mighty Cyclones name and logo out of business twice. Profitability has been a foreign concept to teams using the Cyclones name since I left them in 1996. LOL.
The Komets would not be the only team joining the SPHL. You'd see four or five other IHL teams going with them to form a new conference and it would be no different than the ECHL having teams in California, Idaho, Alaska, etc. Obviously hrc666 isn't aware that discussions of a merger between those two leagues has been discussed. Current SPHL teams would increase their schedule to 72 games if this takes place.
Once again, donnie schlockie has been informed of sensitive internal negotiations between frachises and leagues. Who let you know? Franke (owner Fort Wayne/de facto IHL commisioner) or Jim Combs (comm. SPHL). That was kind of them. It was also quite kind of them to share the details of the number of games that they'd play. Do you ever get tired about lying about stuff like this?? Rhetorical question.
Please do let us know what is going to happen to the Phoenix Coyotes and where the NHL is on a major televison contract (who they're talking with, the terms--all the details). LOL.
Yeah, the Ducks just did spectacularly as a result of the hockey wars. They folded one year after they had the entire market to themselves. They turned about as much of a profit as the Cyclones did form 1997 to their demise. None.
It's a testament (actually impugnment) of your character that you even remotely suggest that YOU had anything to do with the Cyclones demise. Press releases with silly-looking Ducks on them had nothing to do with the demise of the IHL Cyclones and their ECHL successors.
The Ducks "victory" over the Cyclones would be accurately categorized as a "Pyrrhic Victory". Look it up. |
"The only way David Desharnais will see an NHL game is if he buys a ticket".
--donnie hockey
"David Desharnais will be invisible during 5 on 5 hockey. IN THE AHL"
--donnie hockey
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hrc666
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Posted - 01/08/2010 : 1:03:55 PM
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Originally posted by Gordon Bombay
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Originally posted by hrc666
Think for yourself. Mr.self-appointed expert on all things hockey's ability to read a map is obviously not very good.
Take a chill pill man.
Like I said the first time, I wasn't claiming Fort Wayne would move to the SPHL, just that it seems, as you pointed out before, that the level of hockey doesn't always matter to the fans. The Komets are a mainstay in Ft. Wayne, depending on which league they'd join I'd seem them continuing to draw well from their strong local base even if it was a lower league.
I've always wondered why Ft. Wayne ownership went with the UHL, now IHL, instead of the ECHL or an AHL franchise. A Ft. Wayne/Dayton/Cincinnati rivalry would've made for some good roadtrips.
Mellow out, Gordie. You really are quite sensitive. I suppose that's what allows you to take such perty pixtures. LOL. Still, take the chill pill yourself, like man. Wow, 60's retro. Cool.
Fort Wayne's owners want to be the biggest fish in the pond. Their ownership has effectively controlled the UHL and the IHL. The IHL (as your guru has obviously informed you), is nothing more than a name change from the UHL. The IHL is legally the UHL d/b/a the IHL.
The Komet owners have a strong preference to leagues which aren't affiliated. They believe that affiliations provide too much flux in a team's roster. They also like having more veteran players on a roster than the ECHL allows. They really like being able to circumvent the salary cap in order to insure highly competitive teams. Given that the UHL/IHL commisioners have been hand-picked shills (sorta like your relationship with dh. LOL) by the Frankes, this hasn't been too difficult. |
"The only way David Desharnais will see an NHL game is if he buys a ticket".
--donnie hockey
"David Desharnais will be invisible during 5 on 5 hockey. IN THE AHL"
--donnie hockey
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Edited by - hrc666 on 01/08/2010 1:13:58 PM |
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hrc666
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Posted - 01/08/2010 : 1:06:45 PM
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Originally posted by Donnie Hockey
Let's talk about something you actually know something about, hrc666. How do horses run in the snow?
So long as the track isn't inconsistent and slippery, then just fine.
Most horses will run a lot better on any surface than you did as you waddled down your driveway this morning. |
"The only way David Desharnais will see an NHL game is if he buys a ticket".
--donnie hockey
"David Desharnais will be invisible during 5 on 5 hockey. IN THE AHL"
--donnie hockey
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Gordon Bombay
(The Next Level!)
USA
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Posted - 01/08/2010 : 1:29:48 PM
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Originally posted by hrc666
Mellow out, Gordie. You really are quite sensitive.
Hey now, I'm not the one that refused to shake hands when I came by to see you the other night. 
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I suppose that's what allows you to take such perty pixtures. LOL.
Well you know the sensitivity and the fact that I know what I'm doing with the camera. Beer helps too though!
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Wow, 60's retro. Cool.
What? Scooby Doo.
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Given that the UHL/IHL commisioners have been hand-picked shills (sorta like your relationship with dh. LOL)
Yeah I think as you put it: I attempt to "instill fear" in Cyclones fans and "do Don Helbig's bidding." |
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Edited by - Gordon Bombay on 01/08/2010 1:43:15 PM |
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Gordon Bombay
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Posted - 01/08/2010 : 1:39:51 PM
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They really like being able to circumvent the salary cap in order to insure highly competitive teams.
So in essence the New York Yankees of the IHL/former UHL? |
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cyfa48
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USA
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Posted - 01/09/2010 : 8:05:48 PM
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| Well, in consideration of all this, I don't have anything against the IHL as it is now, but an absorption if the IHL falters is a good way to keep the ECHL intact for the long run and the Cyclones still playing hockey in Cincinnati. |
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somebeach
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Posted - 02/08/2010 : 8:04:05 PM
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http://www.mlive.com/news/muskegon/index.ssf/2010/02/its_official_lumberjacks_hocke.html
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What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
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