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Gordon Bombay
(The Next Level!)
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 Posted - 02/06/2010 : 01:08:40 AM
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With the divisions changed up this year and the addition/shakeup of teams leaving, new teams joining the league and teams coming back does anyone know the exact way teams are selected for the playoffs? I read a press release on how the format will be in terms how many games played per round, but was curious how many teams from each division will make it, etc.
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bags
(Person With Nothing Better To Do!)
USA
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Posted - 02/06/2010 : 06:04:27 AM
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http://www.echl.com/cgi-bin/mpublic.cgi?action=show_news&cat=1&id=19245
2010 Kelly Cup Playoffs Format
The conference quarterfinals will be a best-of-five game series with the remaining rounds being best-of-seven game series. The best-of-five series will be a 2-3 format with the higher seed choosing if it wishes to host Games 1-2 or Games 3-5. Teams that are less than 350 miles apart may choose to play a 2-2-1 format.
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elvis77
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Posted - 02/06/2010 : 10:47:24 AM
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You can read my 2 cents on the new format here:
http://cycwords.wordpress.com/2009/06/30/echl-announces-schedule-new-divisions-and-kelly-cup-format/
Basically I think giving the top team in the National Conference a 1st round bye is a joke. |
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Donnie Hockey
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USA
1514 Posts |
Posted - 02/06/2010 : 11:02:41 AM
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There will only be 14-16 teams in the ECHL next season. There would be two, seven-team divisions if the ECHL is down to 14 teams, with the top four in each division qualifying for a playoff berth. If there are 15 teams, it would be three, five-team divisions. In that situation, the top three teams in each division and two wild card teams. Sixteen teams would likely see two conferences and four divisions and 12 teams qualifying for a playoff berth.
It's going to be a really interesting offseason in minor pro hockey. It's a mess across the board. |
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hrc666
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Posted - 02/07/2010 : 1:41:09 PM
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There will only be 14-16 teams in the ECHL IF the westward move of the AHL materializes (to Bakersfield, Ontario, Stockton.) and the ECHL doesn't jump immediately into the voids caused by AHL team relocations.
The only know movement so far is that Charlotte will be gone and will become an AHL market. Several southern city replacements have already been rumored for that loss.
Wheeling, Johnstown and (perhaps) Utah and las Vegas are not assured or competing next season. With Johnstown and Wheeling, this has become a yearly ritual. Utah was salvaged last season when the county (the arena operator) forgave back rent and took a share of ownership of the team in return-this enough is cause for me to be uncertain about their future. Las Vegas is now owned by the same person who owns Bakersfield and there have been some rumblings about the Wranglers status for next season.
Whatever happens to the IHL will impact the ECHL as well.
Anyone who isn't in the inner circle of Brian McKenna (ECHL commish), Dave Andrews (AHL commish), Duane Lewis (CHL commish), and Michael Franke (effective IHL commish) hasn't really any idea how things are going to shake out for the coming season. That would include me and anyone else posting upon Sec60.com. I doubt that Ray Harris, John Hamel or Chuck Weber know what the exact configuration of minor league hockey will look like next season.
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Donnie Hockey
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USA
1514 Posts |
Posted - 02/07/2010 : 2:53:31 PM
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Someone would have to purchase an existing AHL franchise and relocate them to Bakersfield, Ontario, Stockton for the westward move of the AHL to happen. Those ECHL teams couldn't just move up to the AHL -- it doesn't work that way. There are currently 30 AHL franchises (Edmonton owns a dormant franchise but plans to activate it in Oklahoma City).
My post about the playoff format was based on a recent discussion I had with someone that matters in the ECHL. Sorry hrc666, but yes, there are people on the Sec60.com website that have have built and maintained relationships with people that run leagues and with people involved in the management of teams at all levels of pro hockey. |
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hrc666
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Posted - 02/07/2010 : 3:27:36 PM
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Originally posted by Donnie Hockey
Someone would have to purchase an existing AHL franchise and relocate them to Bakersfield, Ontario, Stockton for the westward move of the AHL to happen. Those ECHL teams couldn't just move up to the AHL -- it doesn't work that way. There are currently 30 AHL franchises (Edmonton owns a dormant franchise but plans to activate it in Oklahoma City).
No kidding. Understood by anyone who understands how the ownership of a franchise works. There have been abundant rumors about an AHL western move. The details of franchise ownership would obviously be attended to should this "westward movement" materialize.
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My post about the playoff format was based on a recent discussion I had with someone that matters in the ECHL. Sorry hrc666, but yes, there are people on the Sec60.com website that have have built and maintained relationships with people that run leagues and with people involved in the management of teams at all levels of pro hockey.
The consummate insider, you are. LOL. I've never read a single post of yours (teams coming to Cincinnati, Cyclones folding etc.) on anything substantial regarding hockey franchises and their future which has proved true. In fact, most of your posts regarding players and franchises are wrong. You've never posted anything on any other matter (including trades) that isn't common internet fodder.
The notion that you really think that you know (or need to think that others think that you really know) what the exact landscape of minor league hockey will look like next year is sorta sad, really.
It's February, the economy is in the tank, and hockey is in a secular "bear market". There is no one who knows exactly what will be the exact order of minor league hockey come October. The exact NHL configuration for next season isn't a given for that matter. Except to you, I'm sure. LOL.
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"The only way David Desharnais will see an NHL game is if he buys a ticket".
--donnie hockey
"David Desharnais will be invisible during 5 on 5 hockey. IN THE AHL"
--donnie hockey
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Donnie Hockey
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USA
1514 Posts |
Posted - 02/07/2010 : 4:09:32 PM
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Originally posted by hrc666
I've never read a single post of yours (teams coming to Cincinnati, Cyclones folding etc.) on anything substantial regarding hockey franchises and their future which has proved true.
Here's betting you cannot find a single post that I've made on this site, or any other, where I have stated a team was coming to Cincinnati, or the Cyclones were folding. I've never said that.
I may have said there have been discussions between the Gardens and various leagues, and that's only because there have been. But I have never said a team was definitely coming to Cincinnati. |
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Edited by - Donnie Hockey on 02/07/2010 4:14:06 PM |
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hrc666
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Posted - 02/07/2010 : 4:22:50 PM
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Originally posted by Donnie Hockey
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Originally posted by hrc666
I've never read a single post of yours (teams coming to Cincinnati, Cyclones folding etc.) on anything substantial regarding hockey franchises and their future which has proved true.
Here's betting you cannot find a single post that I've made on this site, or any other, where I have stated a team was coming to Cincinnati, or the Cyclones were folding. I've never said that.
I may have said there have been discussions between the Gardens and various leagues, and that's only because there have been. But I have never said a team was definitely coming to Cincinnati.
You've posted numerous rumors over time about "discussions" none of which ever bore any fruit.
Once again, no more future responses to any of your "insider info" rumors. I'm sure that at some point in time that something you post will actually come to fruition. It's called the law of averages. |
"The only way David Desharnais will see an NHL game is if he buys a ticket".
--donnie hockey
"David Desharnais will be invisible during 5 on 5 hockey. IN THE AHL"
--donnie hockey
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Donnie Hockey
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USA
1514 Posts |
Posted - 02/07/2010 : 4:36:34 PM
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There's a difference between "having discussions" and "a team is coming here." And since there were discussions it doesn't fall under rumors.
Discussions haven't materialized into a team coming to the Gardens for a variety of reasons including but not limited to staying where they currently are. |
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Edited by - Donnie Hockey on 02/07/2010 6:16:50 PM |
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Hockey Traveller
(The Next Level!)
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Posted - 02/08/2010 : 12:14:34 AM
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When someone works in the media relations field in minor league hockey for 18 years, the majority of those years at the highest level of the minor leagues, he meets and works with many players, coaches, scouts, GMs, owners, and league commissioners. Some are in those positions at the time he meets them, some change positions over the course of time. Players become coaches, coaches become GMs, GMs become league commissioners. Knowing these people and having good working relationships with them makes this person what is known to fans as an "insider". Even years after being out of the business, this "insider" is still well-known and respected by many of these same people. The players, scouts, coaches, GMs, and league commissioners won't hesitate to speak candidly with him about many topics.
You can choose to believe or not believe someone who worked in the business for 18 years. His information and speculations come from people who are still in the business. That is a better source of information than any regular Joe Fan who thinks he knows something just because he goes to a lot of games, recites stats, and reads the internet. |
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Donnie Hockey
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USA
1514 Posts |
Posted - 02/08/2010 : 07:11:26 AM
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| Any regular Joe Fan can log onto ECHL.com and see where the Cyclones rank in home attendance. What any regular Joe Fan can't find on the internet is where they rank in the attendance number that matters most - ticket revenue. |
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Gordon Bombay
(The Next Level!)
USA
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elvis77
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1435 Posts |
Posted - 02/08/2010 : 1:11:09 PM
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@ Gordon,
Thanks, glad you like it. As playoffs get a little closer I'm going to try to talk to Hammer and Chuck to get some insight as to how the ECHL Board of Governors came up with this format. It should be interesting. |
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Woodrow
(The Next Level!)
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Posted - 02/08/2010 : 4:56:49 PM
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How would a 6 vs 7 seed series make things better? You'd then have to give the top two teams a bye.
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elvis77
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Posted - 02/08/2010 : 10:09:50 PM
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@woodrow - Good point. When I wrote that I had it drawn up and it made sense but I obviously made a mistake. I still don't like the idea of handing the National Conference winner a first round bye. The playoffs are all but handed to the National Conference teams and with the absence of inter-conference play records become very skewed. Since a play in out west won't work here are a few more suggestions, with the goal being to make the number of games required to make the final equal for both conferences the same or to penalize the teams that barely qualify.
-expand the American Conference playoff bracket. The Division winners and the next 3 best teams receive automatic playoff seeds. Teams in the 7 through 10 standings position would then play a single game playoff to determine playoff bracket seeds 7 and 8. This would allow American Conference Teams roughly the same chance of making the playoffs as the National Conference teams under the current setup.
-In a rather unorthodox playoff set up take only the top 4 National Conference teams and have them play just 2 rounds. Round 1 would be a best of 9 and then the Conference Championship would be a best of 11. It would take 11 wins to reach the finals and require teams to actually compete for a playoff spot.
Personally, I think the most realistic scenario would the first option. Again, with the Conferences as unbalanced as they are I don't like giving an advantage to the conference which plays fewer opponents and has an easier time getting in from the start so if marathon length series (option 2) isn't a realistic option perhaps at least giving the American Conference teams an equal chance of getting in would suffice.
There is no easy or obvious answer outside of expanding the League out west, which is probably not going to happen. I'd be interesting in hearing what others think of the current system or any other suggestions for making things more balanced. |
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"beer is proof that god loves us and wants us to be happy." - benjamin franklin
"is that a pulled pork sandwich i smell?"
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