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elvis77
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 Posted - 10/26/2010 : 5:41:30 PM
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CONTRACTED PLAYERS RELEASED (eligible for waivers/waiver claims)
Cincinnati:
J.C. Sawyer, D
http://www.echl.com/echl-transactions-oct-26-p166938
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bhf303
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Posted - 10/26/2010 : 7:38:32 PM
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Wow, I'm not sure I know how to react. I didn't know much about him, but he was a two time all star wasn't he? Although someone did post that they felt something was up with some of the assignments.
I guess he was to offensive minded huh? |
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Edited by - bhf303 on 10/26/2010 7:40:01 PM |
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elvis77
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Posted - 10/26/2010 : 7:50:50 PM
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He has 120pts at the ECHL level but he has a -35 to go along with it. That's not a guy I want patrolling the D-zone.
When you look at his career numbers there has to be a reason a guy like him is still floating around AA hockey. He puts up a lot of points and he has good size; it's his inability to actually play defense that has help him back. Watching him work though some dzone drills during training camp was laughable at times. |
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justmom
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Posted - 10/26/2010 : 7:53:43 PM
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| Wow wasn't he the defenseman of the year last year? It will be an interesting weekend. |
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Catch22
(Been Here Awhile)
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Posted - 10/26/2010 : 8:02:54 PM
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Well, so much for a point man on the PP.
Ya know, Paul Coffey wasn't always great defensively, but 100 points is nothing to sneeze at. Just sayin'.
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elvis77
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Posted - 10/26/2010 : 10:29:56 PM
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Coffey was +294 on his career, not great given his 1531 points, but incredibly serviceable. On good teams Coffey was tremendous. On bad teams he was merely OK. It's hardly a great comparison. Sawyer has had only 1 season in which he wasn't in the minus. In 08-09 he split time between Fresno and Gwinnett where he combined for 25pts and was even on the year; not great but I'd take it. Unfortunately, he has a history of where that is not the norm.
Sawyer was "Defenseman of the Year" because he had the most points of any defenseman. The award does not take into account the +/-.
Sometimes you have to take a chance with a guy like Sawyer and hope that his poor defensive numbers are a result of the systems he's played in. In this case, the just isn't that good at playing defense. IMO, a defenseman's key role is to keep the other team from scoring, any points you get are a bonus. I'd rather have a 10pt per year dman who goes +50 than a 50pt per year guy that is -10. |
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"and i don't give a damn 'bout my bad reputation" - joan jett
"beer is proof that god loves us and wants us to be happy." - benjamin franklin
"is that a pulled pork sandwich i smell?"
"some things are just better without pants...."
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hrc666
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Posted - 10/26/2010 : 11:27:27 PM
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My Toledo hockey buddies weren't really high on this guy precisely because he was a major league liability on defense.
It was still a very good risk for the Cyclone organization. For whatever reasons (I didn't see him play so I have no opinion on his performance), it didn't work out for him here.
The strong positive that I draw from this is that Skalde isn't afraid to take risks and, more importantly, is willing to admit that his projection didn't work out and that he took corrective action swiftly. |
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dbc
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Posted - 10/27/2010 : 12:23:17 AM
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| Just a reminder, being on the ice for a power play goal does not count in your +/-. Only counts when teams are even strength. Also understand his fit in the locker room was not that good. |
Edited by - dbc on 10/27/2010 12:58:07 AM |
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bhf303
(The Next Level!)
198 Posts |
Posted - 10/27/2010 : 09:32:20 AM
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Maybe this belongs in another thread, but a D man was released, with questionable defensive abilities, and the Clones are 1-3. The D men we have signed have not had that great of reviews talent wise, but they can fight.
With that being said, where does this leave the team as far as the defense goes? Right now they are 13 GF and 18 GA. From listening to and watching some games thus far, it seems the D is having some problems right now.
I know it is still very early in the season and things can change, but the D struggles are somewhat concerning. |
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Catch22
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Posted - 10/27/2010 : 11:01:04 AM
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I think Sawyer only played in 2 of those 4 games, so he isn't completely to blame.
To me, this smells more like he wasn't getting along with the team or doing what the coach asked more than anything else. It's simply too early to blame him for a defensive liability.
My opinion.
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Lisa_19_78
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Posted - 10/27/2010 : 1:02:51 PM
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Actually, the Cyclones are 1-1-1-1, which is nothing to shake a stick at this early in the season. I believe the boys are gelling and coming together faster this season than last season, and we all know how that turned out. At least we're getting to OT's and SO's to get that point, where last year we weren't gaining those extra little points for the most part.
On the subject of Sawyer, I do agree with Elvis that I'd rather have a D-man with high +/- and mediocre points than high points and mediocre +/-. A D-man's job to is to defend, not skate around looking for opportunities. IF they happen to get those opportunities, more power to them, but not at the sake of odd man rushes and defensive breakdowns.
I do hope the D gets it's legs under it and starts coming together more. Marc and Jeremy (and now Chet) are excellent young goalies but should never be put through what Marc was put through in Elmira. That was just ridiculous. That kid stood on his head and still ended up 7 GA in 44 shots. Not helping the winning process was the offense putting up 16 SOG's for the whole game.
Oh well, Jarrod knows what he's doing. I have faith in him, Scott and the rest of the boys. It's a learning experience. We'll just keep on truckin'... |
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bhf303
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Posted - 10/27/2010 : 4:42:16 PM
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| I stand corrected on the record, they are 1-1-1-1, I guess I'm still a hockey newb, but I just look at it as if you don't win, you lose, regardless if its in OT or SO. Thats the old football mentality coming out. lol Apples and oranges I know. |
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dbc
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Posted - 10/27/2010 : 6:47:00 PM
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I think it too early to make judgements on defensive corps as well as the fact that all the games have been on the road. That said, the top two teams last year in shots against were Idaho and Cincinnati giving up about 25 shots per game. No coincidence they ended up in the finals.
With most solid ECHL goalies averaging a save percentage of about .900 to .920 this gives a team a GAA of about 2.4 to 2.5 on these 25 shots a game. Every 5 shots above that averages out another half a goal a game which is huge over the whole season. More important than shots are scoring chances but the ECHL does not publish them.
The clones were awful in Elmira giving up about 40 shots a game and the GAA showed the result. Things were better in Kalamazoo with shots against down to about 30 and the GAA reflecting that. But shots against is not the sole responsibility of the defense though. It is just as much a responsibility of the forwards and in some ways even more so. The defense should be focused on cleaning out the area near the net to limit deflections and rebounds and keeping the lanes open for the goalie to have a clean look. Forwards need to fore check and keep the shots taken to those from outside and from the proper lanes.
Chuck's whole philosophy started with doing the right things in the defensive zone to limit shots and scoring chances and then taking advantage of the offensive opportunities when they happen. Will be interested to see Saturday how the new coaching staff approaches this choice. Do you try to have the opposition score less than you do like Chuck or score more than they do like many other ECHL teams do. |
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