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bags
(Person With Nothing Better To Do!)
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 Posted - 08/07/2014 : 10:24:36 PM
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I'll put this article in the Cyclone section due to what it could
mean to ECHL future !
http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/2014/08/06/report-echl-and-chl-to-merge/
Report: ECHL and CHL to merge
Dhiren Mahiban
Aug 6, 2014, 10:06 AM EDT
The East Coast Hockey League and Central Hockey League are reportedly in talks to merge.
According to hockey agent Darryl Wolski, the president of the 2112 Hockey Agency, the two professional hockey leagues, which have teams primarily in the U.S., could merge as early as the 2015-16 season.
Wolski added that Bakersfield, Las Vegas, Stockton and Ontario – all teams currently in the ECHL – could join the American Hockey League next year to form a true Western Conference. The AHL has been in discussions with western-based NHL teams about moving their affiliations to the west making it easier for player transactions to occur.
The ECHL currently has 22 teams while the CHL has nine teams schedule to play during the 2014-15 season. The AHL meanwhile has 30 clubs all currently affiliated with an NHL team.
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BP2011
(Been Here Awhile)
USA
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Posted - 08/07/2014 : 10:46:50 PM
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| I wonder how that would make the Manchester Monarchs/Norfolk Admirals/Adirondack Flames/Portland Pirates/St. John's Ice Caps/Worcester Sharks/Utica Comets feel about all this. Business is business though! |
08, 10 Kelly Cup Champions
08, 10, 14 American Conference Champions
08, 09, 13 North Division Champions
08 Brabham Cup Champions |
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dbc
(Been Here Awhile)
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Posted - 08/07/2014 : 11:23:05 PM
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Good find Bags. Lots of people denying it online. For those of you however with LOTS of time on your hands, here is a link to a site which took the rumors to the ultimate. They redo the AHL with teams and NHL affiliations along with alignment and then do the same with a merged ECHL and CHL. Each has maps and tables. Enjoy it and open a beer before you start
http://www.sbnation.com/nhl/2014/8/7/5976075/ahl-west-echl-chl-realignment-minor-league-hockey |
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Cyclonesdiehard
(Been Here Awhile)
USA
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cycfan
(The Next Level!)
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bags
(Person With Nothing Better To Do!)
USA
2224 Posts |
Posted - 08/10/2014 : 07:57:22 AM
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Interesting part about Las Vegas is the recent NBA player injury in the upcoming World Cup practices. The injury was mainly blamed on the smaller arena causing the backboard support being closer to the court. For this reason, negative talk about any more NBA games out there. Reason I bring this up is a new arena for basketball/hockey
could be a home for an AHL team but likely not an ECHL level team. If Las Vegas moves up to AHL to support a western team, this could make sense. Still odd that a shut down team (arena problem) could be in line for a league promotion ! |
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cMan2KellyCup
(Been Here Awhile)
USA
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Posted - 08/10/2014 : 7:16:42 PM
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| I MIGHT be able to come up with a realignment plan soon... stay tuned :) |
KELLY CUP CHAMPIONS- 2008, 2010
AMERICAN/EASTERN CONFERENCE CHAMPIONS- 2008, 2010, 2014
DIVISION CHAMPIONS- 1996, 2008, 2009, 2013
2008 BRABHAM CUP CHAMPIONS
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Dr. Feelgood
(The Next Level!)
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Posted - 08/27/2014 : 07:31:44 AM
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| Problem with this is mostly in the "Western ECHL teams to the AHL". AHL currently has 30 teams owned and won't expand beyond 30 unless the NHL were to expand beyond 30. This would require multiple franchises to be willing to relocate or be sold and relocated. I believe there is 1 or 2 at most currently in the AHL that could possibly do this. |
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PsychFan
(Finally Got A Star!)
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Posted - 08/27/2014 : 11:51:42 AM
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Originally posted by Dr. Feelgood
Problem with this is mostly in the "Western ECHL teams to the AHL". AHL currently has 30 teams owned and won't expand beyond 30 unless the NHL were to expand beyond 30. This would require multiple franchises to be willing to relocate or be sold and relocated. I believe there is 1 or 2 at most currently in the AHL that could possibly do this.
Wrong again. Provided that the Western ECHL teams turned into AHL franchises, the teams out east that get left out in the cold would likely be adopted by the ECHL. For example, should a team like Stockton become the AHL team for San Jose, the Worcester Sharks (their current affiliate) would join the ECHL. There are plenty of NHL teams that would look to do the same team. Put it to you this way, I'd be surprised if we didn't see a vastly different minor league hockey landscape next summer. PS, it's not up to the AHL teams to say whether of not the parent club relocates. Just ask the old Cincinnati Mighty Ducks ownership.
Nice try though. |
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Dr. Feelgood
(The Next Level!)
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Posted - 08/27/2014 : 2:35:08 PM
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Originally posted by PsychFan
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Originally posted by Dr. Feelgood
Problem with this is mostly in the "Western ECHL teams to the AHL". AHL currently has 30 teams owned and won't expand beyond 30 unless the NHL were to expand beyond 30. This would require multiple franchises to be willing to relocate or be sold and relocated. I believe there is 1 or 2 at most currently in the AHL that could possibly do this.
Wrong again. Provided that the Western ECHL teams turned into AHL franchises, the teams out east that get left out in the cold would likely be adopted by the ECHL. For example, should a team like Stockton become the AHL team for San Jose, the Worcester Sharks (their current affiliate) would join the ECHL. There are plenty of NHL teams that would look to do the same team. Put it to you this way, I'd be surprised if we didn't see a vastly different minor league hockey landscape next summer. PS, it's not up to the AHL teams to say whether of not the parent club relocates. Just ask the old Cincinnati Mighty Ducks ownership.
Nice try though.
Btw way to continue to be an unsolicited jerk on these message boards whenever you put your two cents in.
AHL President Dave Andrews has said they're not expanding beyond 30 franchises so that dismisses any notion of ECHL/CHL teams being absorbed into the league.
Not all NHL team's own their AHL/ECHL clubs. They would have the option of buying an existing franchise and moving it out west or trying to find an existing owner and partnering up to move the team to a new location out west. |
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PsychFan
(Finally Got A Star!)
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Posted - 08/28/2014 : 09:44:19 AM
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Originally posted by Dr. Feelgood
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Originally posted by PsychFan
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Originally posted by Dr. Feelgood
Problem with this is mostly in the "Western ECHL teams to the AHL". AHL currently has 30 teams owned and won't expand beyond 30 unless the NHL were to expand beyond 30. This would require multiple franchises to be willing to relocate or be sold and relocated. I believe there is 1 or 2 at most currently in the AHL that could possibly do this.
Wrong again. Provided that the Western ECHL teams turned into AHL franchises, the teams out east that get left out in the cold would likely be adopted by the ECHL. For example, should a team like Stockton become the AHL team for San Jose, the Worcester Sharks (their current affiliate) would join the ECHL. There are plenty of NHL teams that would look to do the same team. Put it to you this way, I'd be surprised if we didn't see a vastly different minor league hockey landscape next summer. PS, it's not up to the AHL teams to say whether of not the parent club relocates. Just ask the old Cincinnati Mighty Ducks ownership.
Nice try though.
Btw way to continue to be an unsolicited jerk on these message boards whenever you put your two cents in.
AHL President Dave Andrews has said they're not expanding beyond 30 franchises so that dismisses any notion of ECHL/CHL teams being absorbed into the league.
Not all NHL team's own their AHL/ECHL clubs. They would have the option of buying an existing franchise and moving it out west or trying to find an existing owner and partnering up to move the team to a new location out west.
Not meant to be a jerk. Just stating that you are wrong. And you have missed the point, it would seem. An AHL franchise cannot operate without an NHL parent club attached. So back to my San Jose example: if the Sharks decide to pull out of Worcester, they will no longer be able to operate in the AHL. Whether the Sharks had an ownership interest in Worcester or not is irrelevant.
Don't take my word for it. Here's one of many articles laying out the substantiated rumors.
http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/2014/08/24/report-ahl-migration-west-could-begin-in-2015-16/
Best to fact check before you throw stones. |
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Donnie Hockey
(Loves To Post!)
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Posted - 08/28/2014 : 12:01:28 PM
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Originally posted by PsychFan
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Originally posted by Dr. Feelgood
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Originally posted by PsychFan
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Originally posted by Dr. Feelgood
Problem with this is mostly in the "Western ECHL teams to the AHL". AHL currently has 30 teams owned and won't expand beyond 30 unless the NHL were to expand beyond 30. This would require multiple franchises to be willing to relocate or be sold and relocated. I believe there is 1 or 2 at most currently in the AHL that could possibly do this.
Wrong again. Provided that the Western ECHL teams turned into AHL franchises, the teams out east that get left out in the cold would likely be adopted by the ECHL. For example, should a team like Stockton become the AHL team for San Jose, the Worcester Sharks (their current affiliate) would join the ECHL. There are plenty of NHL teams that would look to do the same team. Put it to you this way, I'd be surprised if we didn't see a vastly different minor league hockey landscape next summer. PS, it's not up to the AHL teams to say whether of not the parent club relocates. Just ask the old Cincinnati Mighty Ducks ownership.
Nice try though.
Btw way to continue to be an unsolicited jerk on these message boards whenever you put your two cents in.
AHL President Dave Andrews has said they're not expanding beyond 30 franchises so that dismisses any notion of ECHL/CHL teams being absorbed into the league.
Not all NHL team's own their AHL/ECHL clubs. They would have the option of buying an existing franchise and moving it out west or trying to find an existing owner and partnering up to move the team to a new location out west.
Not meant to be a jerk. Just stating that you are wrong. And you have missed the point, it would seem. An AHL franchise cannot operate without an NHL parent club attached. So back to my San Jose example: if the Sharks decide to pull out of Worcester, they will no longer be able to operate in the AHL. Whether the Sharks had an ownership interest in Worcester or not is irrelevant.
Don't take my word for it. Here's one of many articles laying out the substantiated rumors.
http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/2014/08/24/report-ahl-migration-west-could-begin-in-2015-16/
Best to fact check before you throw stones.
If San Jose wanted to pull out of Worcester put their AHL prospects in Stockton, one of the current 30 AHL franchises would have to relocate to Stockton for that to happen. There are only 30 AHL franchises. No new franchises will be awarded unless the NHL expands.
Worcester, Springfield, Portland, Norfolk are among the AHL franchises I can see being purchased and relocated elsewhere in the foreseeable future.
Ultimately, the plan the NHL, AHL and ECHL are working on is for there to be an equal number of NHL, AHL and ECHL teams, similar to how baseball is set up with MLB, Triple-A and Double-A.
Each season the ECHL becomes more important to NHL teams as part of its player development program.
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Dr. Feelgood
(The Next Level!)
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Posted - 08/28/2014 : 1:31:24 PM
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Originally posted by PsychFan
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Originally posted by Dr. Feelgood
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Originally posted by PsychFan
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Originally posted by Dr. Feelgood
Problem with this is mostly in the "Western ECHL teams to the AHL". AHL currently has 30 teams owned and won't expand beyond 30 unless the NHL were to expand beyond 30. This would require multiple franchises to be willing to relocate or be sold and relocated. I believe there is 1 or 2 at most currently in the AHL that could possibly do this.
Wrong again. Provided that the Western ECHL teams turned into AHL franchises, the teams out east that get left out in the cold would likely be adopted by the ECHL. For example, should a team like Stockton become the AHL team for San Jose, the Worcester Sharks (their current affiliate) would join the ECHL. There are plenty of NHL teams that would look to do the same team. Put it to you this way, I'd be surprised if we didn't see a vastly different minor league hockey landscape next summer. PS, it's not up to the AHL teams to say whether of not the parent club relocates. Just ask the old Cincinnati Mighty Ducks ownership.
Nice try though.
Btw way to continue to be an unsolicited jerk on these message boards whenever you put your two cents in.
AHL President Dave Andrews has said they're not expanding beyond 30 franchises so that dismisses any notion of ECHL/CHL teams being absorbed into the league.
Not all NHL team's own their AHL/ECHL clubs. They would have the option of buying an existing franchise and moving it out west or trying to find an existing owner and partnering up to move the team to a new location out west.
Not meant to be a jerk. Just stating that you are wrong. And you have missed the point, it would seem. An AHL franchise cannot operate without an NHL parent club attached. So back to my San Jose example: if the Sharks decide to pull out of Worcester, they will no longer be able to operate in the AHL. Whether the Sharks had an ownership interest in Worcester or not is irrelevant.
Don't take my word for it. Here's one of many articles laying out the substantiated rumors.
http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/2014/08/24/report-ahl-migration-west-could-begin-in-2015-16/
Best to fact check before you throw stones.
That's not how league membership works. That would mean the owner of a franchise would need to be paid the value of an AHL franchise and compensation, move his team, or sell his franchise. Doing what you're saying would get the AHL sued.
What you're saying is factless and baseless.
What Donnie Hockey and I have stated is how AHL membership works. If you don't own a club you must find one to work a deal with to set up a parent club situation. They can't make their own franchise because the AHL is at 30 teams and won't expand beyond 30 per their own President. If San Jose wants to move their farm team out west and do not own their AHL affiliate they must find one willing to move or purchase one.
Are several teams likely to move out if the situation arises? Yes. But to assume every healthy western ECHL franchise will be moved to the AHL is unlikely unless a franchise is willing to move out west for each one.
IE: The Columbus Blue Jackets can't simply say "We want a team in the AHL close by so we're making an AHL team in Cincinnati." They'd need to purchase a team and move it or find an owner willing to do so.
Just because a blog writer or report reposts something or writes something doesn't make it a fact. You should trust the AHL President for correct information over a reporter. |
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PsychFan
(Finally Got A Star!)
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Posted - 08/28/2014 : 3:43:19 PM
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Originally posted by Dr. Feelgood
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Originally posted by PsychFan
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Originally posted by Dr. Feelgood
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Originally posted by PsychFan
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Originally posted by Dr. Feelgood
Problem with this is mostly in the "Western ECHL teams to the AHL". AHL currently has 30 teams owned and won't expand beyond 30 unless the NHL were to expand beyond 30. This would require multiple franchises to be willing to relocate or be sold and relocated. I believe there is 1 or 2 at most currently in the AHL that could possibly do this.
Wrong again. Provided that the Western ECHL teams turned into AHL franchises, the teams out east that get left out in the cold would likely be adopted by the ECHL. For example, should a team like Stockton become the AHL team for San Jose, the Worcester Sharks (their current affiliate) would join the ECHL. There are plenty of NHL teams that would look to do the same team. Put it to you this way, I'd be surprised if we didn't see a vastly different minor league hockey landscape next summer. PS, it's not up to the AHL teams to say whether of not the parent club relocates. Just ask the old Cincinnati Mighty Ducks ownership.
Nice try though.
Btw way to continue to be an unsolicited jerk on these message boards whenever you put your two cents in.
AHL President Dave Andrews has said they're not expanding beyond 30 franchises so that dismisses any notion of ECHL/CHL teams being absorbed into the league.
Not all NHL team's own their AHL/ECHL clubs. They would have the option of buying an existing franchise and moving it out west or trying to find an existing owner and partnering up to move the team to a new location out west.
Not meant to be a jerk. Just stating that you are wrong. And you have missed the point, it would seem. An AHL franchise cannot operate without an NHL parent club attached. So back to my San Jose example: if the Sharks decide to pull out of Worcester, they will no longer be able to operate in the AHL. Whether the Sharks had an ownership interest in Worcester or not is irrelevant.
Don't take my word for it. Here's one of many articles laying out the substantiated rumors.
http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/2014/08/24/report-ahl-migration-west-could-begin-in-2015-16/
Best to fact check before you throw stones.
That's not how league membership works. That would mean the owner of a franchise would need to be paid the value of an AHL franchise and compensation, move his team, or sell his franchise. Doing what you're saying would get the AHL sued.
What you're saying is factless and baseless.
What Donnie Hockey and I have stated is how AHL membership works. If you don't own a club you must find one to work a deal with to set up a parent club situation. They can't make their own franchise because the AHL is at 30 teams and won't expand beyond 30 per their own President. If San Jose wants to move their farm team out west and do not own their AHL affiliate they must find one willing to move or purchase one.
Are several teams likely to move out if the situation arises? Yes. But to assume every healthy western ECHL franchise will be moved to the AHL is unlikely unless a franchise is willing to move out west for each one.
IE: The Columbus Blue Jackets can't simply say "We want a team in the AHL close by so we're making an AHL team in Cincinnati." They'd need to purchase a team and move it or find an owner willing to do so.
Just because a blog writer or report reposts something or writes something doesn't make it a fact. You should trust the AHL President for correct information over a reporter.
"Some people you just can't reach." Do you think the AHL President is going to tip his hand in ANY way unless something is official? No. Hell no. And you are forgetting the key in all of this. I'm not saying that the Jackets can say "Oh let's go to Cincinnati" and just set up shop. What I'm saying is that a team, San Jose, per say, would work with an ECHL ownership group, like Stockton and say - "we're going to make you are new AHL affiliate provided the numbers work out." Then, as I said before, the current AHL affiliate in Worcester would be SOL and would likely be adopted by the ECHL - since, you know, they are a business.
And what makes you think the "healthy" Western teams wouldn't jump at the chance to move up to the AHL?
You seem to be backpedaling. Not surprising. But thanks for stopping by. |
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Dr. Feelgood
(The Next Level!)
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Posted - 08/28/2014 : 4:44:23 PM
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I'm not backpedaling. I believe you're just not grasping this concept. I haven't changed my stand point. I'm basing mine off fact. You're basing your's off assumption and fantasy booking.
I never said a team wouldn't jump at the chance to jump up to the AHL. Nor did I say NHL teams wouldn't like closer affiliates.
I said that it's not up to the affiliate where a team is located. An ownership group determines where a team goes. Some NHL teams own their AHL franchises and most do not. I believe this is what's confusing you in to thinking NHL teams can tell the AHL that a team will go wherever they like.
Hockey is no different than MLB. The Reds can't tell the IL they're moving their team to Dayton. That'd require Louisville or some other exisitng franchise to move unless they were willing to expand membership. Except to make this scenario relatable the IL has no interest in expanding membership (likely the case). So when a team does move (which does happen) the ownership chose to move them to a different city.
If you notice in minor sports leagues ownership groups (ECHL is the PERFECT example of this) will say "We'd like franchises here but we need a solid ownership group or interested ownership group to step forward).
NHL teams do not control where their affiliates are located unless they own them.
Btw you're still throwing in your unsolicited attitude. I'll give you credit for going one post earlier without being snarky. |
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PsychFan
(Finally Got A Star!)
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Posted - 08/28/2014 : 4:49:10 PM
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Originally posted by Dr. Feelgood
I'm not backpedaling. I believe you're just not grasping this concept. I haven't changed my stand point. I'm basing mine off fact. You're basing your's off assumption and fantasy booking.
I never said a team wouldn't jump at the chance to jump up to the AHL. Nor did I say NHL teams wouldn't like closer affiliates.
I said that it's not up to the affiliate where a team is located. An ownership group determines where a team goes. Some NHL teams own their AHL franchises and most do not. I believe this is what's confusing you in to thinking NHL teams can tell the AHL that a team will go wherever they like.
Hockey is no different than MLB. The Reds can't tell the IL they're moving their team to Dayton. That'd require Louisville or some other exisitng franchise to move unless they were willing to expand membership. Except to make this scenario relatable the IL has no interest in expanding membership (likely the case). So when a team does move (which does happen) the ownership chose to move them to a different city.
If you notice in minor sports leagues ownership groups (ECHL is the PERFECT example of this) will say "We'd like franchises here but we need a solid ownership group or interested ownership group to step forward).
NHL teams do not control where their affiliates are located unless they own them.
Btw you're still throwing in your unsolicited attitude. I'll give you credit for going one post earlier without being snarky.
To assume you're basing your opinions on fact is laughable. Seriously laughing. I'm done trying to explain this to you. Have fun in fantasy land. |
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