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tamg4393
(The Next Level!)
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 Posted - 12/05/2014 : 3:35:11 PM
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2008 Kelly cup champs, the best Cyclones team ever! |
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dbc
(Been Here Awhile)
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Posted - 12/05/2014 : 4:47:17 PM
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Lets try to get this thing going again.
Some observations for comments to try and elicit some posts:
Close games: Except for the early blow out against K-Zoo, every loss except one has been by one goal backing out empty net goals. Five have been 4-3 games and the other a 5-4. Three goals seems to be our limit. Lots of close but no cigar. Frustrating to fans but I am sure even more so to the team.
OT Losses: 0-3 in shoot outs. we are 3 out of 21 in shoot out attempts and two of those came in extra attempts in the 13 round Toledo loss. That means we have one goal in three shoot out losses during the normal 5 rounds. Hard to believe. Thought we looked awful last night with no originality in our attempts
Blue Line Goals: Is it me or do an inordinate number of opponent goals seem to be coming from the blue line? Many are screened and we seem to pay no attention to moving people out from screening positions in front of the net Madore looks much more effective scrambling close in where his acrobatics come into play than he does from the point where his lack of size leaves a lot of the goal open.
Early Goals: we seem to give up an inordinate amount of goals in the first minute of play:
The dynamic duo: Last nights game's tying goal had to be at least the 4th and possibly the 5th goal direct from a face off in the left circle with Frosse winning the face off cleanly to Shalla who buries it. Can't ever remember that many goals on a face-off play for a whole year let alone 16 games.
Ghosts from the past: Pelech was just the latest ex Cyclone to come back to haunt us starting with Ftorek a few years ago.
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tamg4393
(The Next Level!)
USA
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Posted - 12/05/2014 : 11:34:28 PM
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2008 Kelly cup champs, the best Cyclones team ever! |
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dbc
(Been Here Awhile)
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Posted - 12/06/2014 : 03:21:28 AM
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I feel like Bill Murray in Ground Hog Day!!!!!
Once again:
Close Games: ANOTHER one goal loss
OT Losses: ANOTHER OT loss with absolutely no sign of any scoring skills. Now 1 for 17 in regulation shoot out attempts!!!. Cant anyone put a move on and complete it??
Blue Line Goals: ANOTHER goal given up from the Blue Line that the goalie swiped at and missed
Ghosts from the past: ANOTHER key goal scored by ex Cyclone (Embach)
Dynamic Duo: ANOTHER late goal scored off that SAME play from the left circle by Shalla directly off a face-off win by Froese. It is unbelievable!!! Kudos to Budish also on these plays as he takes the man out of the shooting lane. Doesn't get an assist but is a key on that play.
Overall,the Division is as evenly matched as I can remember and even though Fort Wayne and Toledo are fairly well ahead in the standings, we have stayed with them in all the games played. Need people who can finish both in regulation and shoot outs.
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Biscuitinthebasket
(Rookie)
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Posted - 12/08/2014 : 3:47:29 PM
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It has been about a year since our fam began following the Clones, we followed the Admirals in a previous life.
To me, the problems started last year late in the playoffs, when Delhuisen got hurt, that removed a disrupter and defensive leader, that also happened to have a nice blueline rocket. The D has shown flashes of brilliance this year, but is way to inconsistent, especially in clearing shields.
We have plenty of offensive power (a little inconsistent) and goalies will keep the Clones in most games.
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Susan
(Been Here Awhile)
USA
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Posted - 12/10/2014 : 12:48:55 PM
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| I would love to know what the heck is going on with the team. They've been together for 3 months now & to me it seems like they don't know what they're doing. Are they relying to heavily on the veterans like Frose, etc? If so, IMHO, they need to get their act together & play like they are the veterans. Very stressful watching this team. I'm also hoping it's not the coaches. |
Hockey is life. All the rest is just small stuff.
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dbc
(Been Here Awhile)
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Posted - 12/10/2014 : 2:28:46 PM
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Susan IMHO I think it is a question of lack of forwards who can all skate but few can finish ( seem to have the opportunities set up but few have the hands finish off plays), a defense that is ok but leave a lot of opponents standing around in front of the net with none ending up on the ice, and goal-tending that has been less than expected with a 3.32 GAA. We really don't challenge in our defensive zone electing instead to play positional hockey and thus there are a lot of goals we give up after the opponent has had the puck in the zone for a long long time.
In looking at the league statistics on their web site for some answers ( a great book of information), there are two things that stand out to me. First, when scoring first the six out of 19 games we have done so, we are 5-1-0 so we seem to play well with an early lead. In the first period we have been outscored however by ten goals 16-26!!! In the other 13 games when the opponent has scored first including last night, we are 3-6-4. . We seem to fall behind way too often early in the first ( over 2/3 of the time) and then play catch up all night with a mediocre offense. Dramatically we have turned around and outscored the opposition by a whopping 27-11 in the second period!!!. (Maybe the coaches ought to give their between periods talk before the game starts !! ). In the 3rd period we have been outscored 18-22.
We just don't have the fire power to come all the way back in games and need to work harder to get the first goal. In several games we have come back to tie in the third only to then give up a winning goal in the 3rd or OT/SO. On four of those occasions we have come back to tie in the last minute with the Shalla-Froese magic only to lose in shoot outs on all four occasions while scoring 3 goals in 25 attempts ( 12%) while the opposition has taken our goalies to task at a 10/27 (37%) clip.
In short right now I think we are an average or slightly below average team with no real strength but no real weakness except perhaps between the pipes. I think there is a lot more talent on team than they have shown and perhaps all we need is some puck luck to give them a boost. Loosing Froese who has 24 points in 18 games (24 points on 60 goals = 40% of the goals he gets a point on) really really hurts though. |
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Biscuitinthebasket
(Rookie)
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Posted - 12/11/2014 : 12:41:57 PM
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Listened to the audio for the Stingrays the other night and those two guys had lots of brutally honest thoughts about the Clones. DBC summed their thoughts up well.
I still stand by the fact our defense does not clear screens, or even attempt to clear them. While goal tending has been less than stellar, a good defense will help prop a netminder that needs luck.
I also was cruising the league website trying to figure out the "why". I was surprised looking at the roster from 13-14 and the playoff roster how many scorers are gone. I guess I knew that, but never really realized it until then!
With Milwaukee slumping, I think the next guy to get a shot to move will be Shalla. And when that happens.....
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dbc
(Been Here Awhile)
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Posted - 12/11/2014 : 1:36:05 PM
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Biscut it is one of the defensive schemes in hockey I don't understand letting a guy screen and not try and move him out. The rationale is that a goalie can find a way to look around a single guy screening but has a difficult time if you put a second player next to him trying to move him. A lot of teams leave it up to the goalie and what he feels comfortable with. I am not sure whether this choice of scheme is the coaches or goalies. My guess is the coaches at this level. It is frustrating as hell watching an opponent move freely like that but it is an accepted alternative. You will notice a lot of NHL teams do it as their goalies would rather try and look around one guy than two.
My problem is that once the puck gets to in front of net, the opposition stays on their feet way to often and way too long. Then is the time to move them out or move them down.
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dbc
(Been Here Awhile)
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Posted - 12/12/2014 : 10:00:17 AM
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Another game ( Greenville) we gave up the first goal, came back from a two goal deficit,and lost a one goal game.
In the first four games of the year, we scored first three time and won them all. Since then in sixteen games we have scored first just three times!!! Two of those three games were shut outs and the other ( 2nd game in Indy) we lost.
Since those first four games, The opposition has scored first in 13 of the last 16 games which is a ridiculous number. Back out the two shut outs and the opponent has scored first in 13 of the last 14 game!!!! In 11 of those 13 we have come back to tie the games, but ended up winning only three of those 11 we came back to tie.
.It SEEMS like we come out with a defensive scheme, get behind and switch to a more offensive scheme, tie it up and go back to the defensive scheme. In short we seem to be be playing not to lose rather than to win. Having said that I notice we vastly out shot Greenville in the first two periods last night 35-15 so maybe that change was made but just wasn't successful. Whatever they did to outshoot a home team that much--please continue it. Much harder for the opponent to score when they are pinned in their own zone.
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Biscuitinthebasket
(Rookie)
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Posted - 12/12/2014 : 12:55:46 PM
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Thanks for the extra education dbc, thoughts gots locked up a little, I guess I was thinking more along the lines of your last sentence, once the puck comes in, the opposition needs to get put on their can (within the gray area of the rules) and this doesn't happen a whole lot!
1-5 for the month of December....geesh. |
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PsychFan
(Finally Got A Star!)
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Posted - 12/15/2014 : 1:32:35 PM
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Originally posted by Biscuitinthebasket
Thanks for the extra education dbc, thoughts gots locked up a little, I guess I was thinking more along the lines of your last sentence, once the puck comes in, the opposition needs to get put on their can (within the gray area of the rules) and this doesn't happen a whole lot!
1-5 for the month of December....geesh.
Well what do you know. We have a great game on Saturday and hear crickets! Leave it to the same cast of ridiculous "fans" (here's looking at you biscuitinthebasket) to rip apart our guys when they have a bad game yet stay quiet when we win. Its amazing and sad how negative and pitiful people are on this forum. unfortunately its not that surprising. |
Edited by - PsychFan on 12/15/2014 1:33:17 PM |
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dbc
(Been Here Awhile)
865 Posts |
Posted - 12/15/2014 : 2:46:20 PM
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waiting for someone else to post as I sometimes think I am talking to my self.
As to Saturday, wonderful what scoring first can do. Think we outshot them 13-3 in the first period so we much have come out with a lot of offensive energy rather than the out historic defensive scheme. Anxious to see this "new" approach Wednesday night. |
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bags
(Person With Nothing Better To Do!)
USA
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Posted - 12/15/2014 : 6:58:58 PM
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Originally posted by PsychFan
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Originally posted by Biscuitinthebasket
Thanks for the extra education dbc, thoughts gots locked up a little, I guess I was thinking more along the lines of your last sentence, once the puck comes in, the opposition needs to get put on their can (within the gray area of the rules) and this doesn't happen a whole lot!
1-5 for the month of December....geesh.
Well what do you know. We have a great game on Saturday and hear crickets! Leave it to the same cast of ridiculous "fans" (here's looking at you biscuitinthebasket) to rip apart our guys when they have a bad game yet stay quiet when we win. Its amazing and sad how negative and pitiful people are on this forum. unfortunately its not that surprising.
And you wonder why we don't comment or post when all you get is a negative response
from a few people. I haven't had a chance to go to many games so any comments on their
play might not be valid. What did "biscuitinthebasket" say that makes him a ridiculous
fan? The last game I saw they actually won 2-0 but the first period looked like one of
the kiddie games in between periods where everyone goes all over the place.
Keep insulting the posters and the crickets will be your response. |
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cloneinator
(Been Here Awhile)
USA
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Posted - 12/16/2014 : 06:55:15 AM
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| Right again Bags with the negative post comments driving people away. But be careful criticizing... You'll get a sarcastic e mail. |
...And on the eighth day, GOD created the Cyclones! |
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Biscuitinthebasket
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Posted - 12/16/2014 : 08:26:30 AM
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I was in Memphis last weekend, listened to the game while my daughter played soccer, couldn't get to the board!
The win was a breath of fresh air. You are supposed to win those games and fortunately, the Cyclones came to play on Saturday night.
They are now 2-6 in December with another game Wednesday that will test the team. If there is continued play like Saturday, there will be ground made up this week.
The Blazek trade, 1 game in, looks like a very good move, I will be very interested to see how the team plays this week on home ice! |
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