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SCUBA
(Been Here Awhile)
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 Posted - 01/15/2009 : 4:23:39 PM
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| all of my posts are certainly hypothetical, pipe dream or not, HG certainly makes the case that hockey is to return to the Gardens, and ACHIG makes the case that the clones are gone after this year........... |
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screamin
(The Next Level!)
USA
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Posted - 01/15/2009 : 4:55:15 PM
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| HG is stating that the Swords are to return next year. I'll believe it when I see it. |
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Hockey Traveller
(The Next Level!)
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Posted - 01/15/2009 : 10:12:05 PM
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Originally posted by hrc666
Two minnows and the very, very familiar sounding "TraveLIAR" are here merely to stir up the pot.
I'm a liar because I sound familiar? How does that logic work? What pot did I stir? I'm just trying to talk a little hockey by responding to other peoples' posts. I thought I was entitled to state my opinions freely. Apparently not without risking hrc's false accusations. Sounds like hrc should be over at HG with his silly namecalling and no logic conclusions. |
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Cyclonesdiehard
(Been Here Awhile)
USA
552 Posts |
Posted - 01/15/2009 : 10:47:20 PM
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Originally posted by TwoMinutesWellWorthIt
I want to be clear in saying that I am in no way trying to imply that the Gardens is getting a team next year or even in the foreseeable future. The Feb 22nd thing is a pipe dream at best. I want the Clones to stick around as much as you guys do. The last thing we want is to be pro hockey-less in Cincinnati.
Stirring the pot in no way helps our cause at keeping professional hockey. Is is good to quesion management sure. But loyalty to your team must also come.
If the Gardens have a team next year instead of my 2 seats I will buy 4 at USBA.  |
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CincinnatiFan
(The Next Level!)
USA
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Posted - 01/15/2009 : 11:57:04 PM
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Getting away from the personal battles....
I think the question is why would any league want to put a team in Cincinnati knowing both the history and the fact that the Cyclones are already established and still fighting to build a viable fan base. Yes I can see the idea that some NHL team could be willing to take losses but there surely has to be other cities where they have a better chance of having success. At best two Cincinnati teams will again split the fan base and cause hard feelings. Is any league going to walk into that trap again? For several reasons I think and hope the answer is no. |
Get Clones instead of Clunkers.
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BP2011
(Been Here Awhile)
USA
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Posted - 01/16/2009 : 9:08:47 PM
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| For somebody who lives a stones throw away from the Gardens i would like to see a team at the Gardens,the Cyclones in the first ECHL and IHL days were the only good team at the Gardens every other team did not do well except for the Mohawks, the Ducks had a career losing record only had 2 winning seasons and one or 2 .500 seasons in the 10 years at the Gardens. So if i have to go downtown to see a winner i will but i wouldnt go 10 seconds away to see a loser unless the clones moved back to the Gardens..but that wont happen |
08, 10 Kelly Cup Champions
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tjpavlik
(Been Here Awhile)
USA
552 Posts |
Posted - 01/17/2009 : 8:11:31 PM
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Phoenix is in trouble. How 'bout the Robinsons purchasing them and moving them to the Gardens ?
Thats about as likely as a new professional/junior team taking the ice at the Gardens.
Seriously why would the Robinsons have anything to do with a team that competes for the at most 5000 total potential hockey fans in the Cincinnati area? Like it or not the Cyclones have established themselves and an additional team in the market would only serve to kill both teams. |
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XcloneiacX
(Been Here Awhile)
USA
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Posted - 01/26/2009 : 09:11:47 AM
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I think of it this way, why!?
We have 2 pro hockey teams in Cincinnati and if you count the Dayton area that means 3 pro hockey teams?
For those that may be oblivious to the other pro team in Cincy its the Queen City Steam who play at Sports Plus in the CSHL. |
CYCLONES HOCKEY! |
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fangers
(The Next Level!)
USA
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Posted - 01/27/2009 : 5:13:36 PM
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Originally posted by hrc666
The USHL is a fading league. It's averaging about 2700 per game throughout the league. The number of teams in the league is down significantly from years past. Columbus, OH had a team which folded after last season (or the season before).
A USHL team wouldn't draw 1000 paid with or without any competiton. Only a fool would give this team financial backing. It's a losing proposition from the gitgo.
First, let me make it very clear - I'm not advocating bringing another team, at any level, into town.
But, your statement about the USHL being a fading league shows how little you really know about the league. USA Hockey is getting $8 mil from the NHL to revamp it's development program and the USHL is the cornerstone of that effort. The league will expand to 16 teams in the short-term, to 20 in the next 5+ys. You can't use Columbus as an example or measuring stick for that league - that was simply a case where two wealthy fathers (one who was Blue Jackets GM at the time) bought a team for their kids to play on. The league was led to believe there was more NHL Blue Jacket support than what really existed. |
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fangers
(The Next Level!)
USA
262 Posts |
Posted - 01/27/2009 : 5:16:53 PM
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Originally posted by XcloneiacX
For those that may be oblivious to the other pro team in Cincy its the Queen City Steam who play at Sports Plus in the CSHL.
Steam is NOT a pro team. They are a Tier III Junior A team. The team that would suffer the most from a USHL (Tier I Junior A) team coming in would be the Steam. |
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XcloneiacX
(Been Here Awhile)
USA
869 Posts |
Posted - 01/28/2009 : 01:44:52 AM
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Sorry Fangers, I realize this now after reading it ha.
Anyway, I love the STEAM and I think we need to support them as well as the Cyclones, I go to as many Steam games as I can. |
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Hockey Traveller
(The Next Level!)
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Posted - 01/29/2009 : 01:23:38 AM
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| According to the USHL website, the NHL drafts 25+ players from the USHL each year, and there are currently over 50 players on NHL rosters who played in the USHL. Right now the closest USHL team is in Indy. |
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Gordon Bombay
(The Next Level!)
USA
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Posted - 12/01/2009 : 2:22:34 PM
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I realize no one's posted in this topic in awhile, but I'm just gonna throw my two cents in:
I grew up on the IHL Cyclones and AHL Mighty Ducks. When I was in grade school, the Ducks had this great offer for cheap tickets to Catholic grade schools and would have "Catholic School Nights," so my dad would take my sisters and I all the time. Eventually, my dad and a co-worker became Ducks season ticket holders, so naturally I tagged along with them. I would always joke though that I'd rather go see the Cyclones since they played in a "real" arena in a league that rivaled the NHL (hey, I was a kid and thought USBA was top of the line and that the IHL was some rogue, equal competitor to the NHL). I'll admit I probably went to far more Ducks games during the "hockey wars" days and was a follower right up until the RailRaiders demise.
I've never read Heckler's Grove, but if it came down to it I would most definitely support a team at the Gardens. Personally, if I'm gonna watch hockey in Cincinnati I'd rather see it at the Gardens. I like the sightlines and the environment better. I like the free parking and as a guy who works regularly in some of the worst areas of Over-The-Rhine, the Gardens "neighborhood" is nothing to complain about.
However, the Cincinnati Cyclones play at the US Bank Arena, not the Gardnes. I'm a hockey fan first before I'm loyal to either team. When the clones came back in 2006 I went to one of the pre-season games, hardly anyone there, hardly any atmosphere, lame introductions, high ticket prices and awful food combined with the bank arena's awful service. It was good to see hockey again, great to have a team called the Cyclones, but it left a bad taste in my mouth. However, I'm glad to see that has completely changed. The Cyclones attendance and fan base seems to be growing, the ticket prices were lowered, the team really started to kick ass and when you pack 10,000 people in there, it's an awesome environment.
Basically, what I'm saying is that I think the Gardens is my preferred venue to watch hockey and I do miss the AHL. I thought the Railraiders had a cool name, awesome logo and I liked that they were one step down from the NHL. I think the best situation for an AHL team at the Gardens these days would be to affiliate with the Columbus Blue Jackets, the marketing possibilities would be great and I think people would be able to relate to the affiliation more than they could Anaheim and Detroit. If the Gardens got a new team, I'd definitely support it along while continuing to support the Cyclones, but for now I am content with the current Cyclones situation. The team is fast, the fan base is growing, the cyclones office staff are great people and they recognize the support the fans bring with the salute after each game. I still think the bank arena kind of sucks, but what can you do?
Go Cyclones, go Cincinnati hockey. |
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Edited by - Gordon Bombay on 12/01/2009 2:26:16 PM |
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elvis77
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Posted - 12/01/2009 : 4:42:05 PM
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gordon, well thought out response and since you brought the topic back up i think i'll contribute. i checked out your website btw and it's excellent work.
i grew up on the cyclones and will support the cyclones as long as they are around. i am also a hockey fan in general and take in several blue jackets games per year and also supported the railraider's efforts simply because i wanted hockey back. but one thing has been made clear and that is cincinnati only has the fan base to support one team and as donniehockey said in another post, the level of hockey doesn't mean much to the average cincinnati hockey fan; value and entertainment are much more important and the cyclones are delivering that in spades.
i recently had a chance to go play a few games down at the gardens and it brought back some memories for sure. it's a great old building with a lot of atmosphere, i still prefer the usba simply because of it's location and the other entertainment offerings surrounding it. while i appreciate you comfort in the type of area surrounding the gardens (i grew up in the puck rock seen and spent most nights causing havok thoughout clifton), the reason the location of the gardens vs usba constantly comes up is it seems to be a method of fight the hockey wars using cold war methods. rather than say "i don't want to support the cyclones" they say "i don't feel safe going down town and would rather go to the gardens" which to me is crazy to me since the gardens is essentially in the middle of swifton commons.
as you've witnessed the crowds at usba are growing and so is the electricity and atmosphere. usba has it's issues when the crowds get larger than 7000 but so did the gardens. getting back to the main reason i like usba better than the gardens, as a 32 year single guy i can make an night of going out to a cyclones game. i can head downtown after work, meet up with friends, grab a bite to eat and a few beers at gameday cafe, o'malleys in the alley, perhaps even newport on the levee. then take in the game and head over to jefferson hall, cadillac ranch, or back to gameday without ever moving my car. the gardens just doesn't offer that.
all that being said, for the sake of hockey in cincinnati, i hope there is no effort by the gardens and robinson's to bring in another team. they tried and didn't see it through opening the door for the cyclone's return. and now that they are back, let's hope no one decides that a second team is a good idea, we all know where that will lead. |
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Gordon Bombay
(The Next Level!)
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Posted - 12/01/2009 : 6:32:43 PM
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Elvis, thanks for the compliments on the website, very glad you like it.
I agree with what you said. The Gardens has it's charm and it's a great old hockey barn, but I certainly see your point about things to do downtown that I didn't think of earlier. When I was younger it was go to the games, then go home. You bring up an excellent point with that. I've found myself at Hooters, Arnold's or other bars after clones games recently and you can't really get that at the Gardens.
Like I said, love the Gardens, it be cool if it had an environment and a team like it did in the old days, but for the time being I'll gladly support the Cyclones and I'm glad to see their fanbase growing. USBA on Throwback Night with 10,300 people and the playoffs last year...great atmosphere. |
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