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TwoMinutesWellWorthIt
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 Posted - 12/17/2009 : 01:24:29 AM
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| I went to the Dayton Gems game tonight against Muskegon. This was my first experience with the "new" IHL. The level of play was extremely high for this level of minor league hockey. I'd pit it higher than ECHL. In ECHL's defense, however, the IHL allows more veteran players. |
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Hakeedude
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Posted - 12/17/2009 : 04:48:55 AM
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| Nah baby nah------ We've been there too; Speed-slower, passing-less accurate; Reminded me more of the ECHL when the Cyclones first played in it in the early 1990s. |
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hrc666
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Posted - 12/17/2009 : 05:21:17 AM
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Originally posted by TwoMinutesWellWorthIt
I went to the Dayton Gems game tonight against Muskegon. This was my first experience with the "new" IHL. The level of play was extremely high for this level of minor league hockey. I'd pit it higher than ECHL. In ECHL's defense, however, the IHL allows more veteran players.
Go ahead and "pit" it higher than the ECHL.
How would you rate the Dayton forwards vs. their Cyclone counterparts?
Rate Dayton's Mullen, Bloom, McLean, Parker, Ornelas, Auffrey, Snowden and Vaskivuo against Cincinnati's MacLean, Eghoetz, Pierce, Sproat, Reynolds, Robinson, Van Guilder and Lacroix.
This ought to make for some fun reading. Feel free to rate the defense as well.
You really must enjoy making a fool of yourself, 2minnows. I can't wait to see how the Dayton forwards (who are their veterans btw??)"out pit" the Cyclones.
If you don't rate them, then please just STFU. Thank you.
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"The only way David Desharnais will see an NHL game is if he buys a ticket".
--donnie hockey
"David Desharnais will be invisible during 5 on 5 hockey. IN THE AHL"
--donnie hockey
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Donnie Hockey
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Posted - 12/17/2009 : 12:47:16 PM
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Which minor pro league is the best depends on which league the Cyclones are playing in at the time.
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elvis77
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Posted - 12/17/2009 : 1:35:55 PM
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Originally posted by Donnie Hockey
Which minor pro league is the best depends on which league the Cyclones are playing in at the time.
for myself personally, if the cyclones moved to the IHL i would still support them but the entire time wish they were still in the ECHL. this is because i do feel that the ECHL is a higher level of hockey. i think we can all agree that the IHL of today is not the IHL of the 90's.
i would deem the IHL A+ level hockey, a step below the ECHL but by much.
i'm happy with the ECHL, and would be disappointed with IHL team cause i know what else is out there. that includes the AHL, which i would embrace but even it has downsides for me relative to the ECHL, but i guess that can be said when comparing any two leagues. |
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Donnie Hockey
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Posted - 12/17/2009 : 3:23:31 PM
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i would deem the IHL A+ level hockey, a step below the ECHL but by much.
Then you would deem the IHL wrong. The team the Muskegon Lumberjacks put on the ice is better than the team the Cyclones have now, and better than the team they had when they won the Kelly Cup. They're better coached, too.
Muskegon forwards Todd Robinson and Robin Bouchard would be the two best players on the Cyclones. John DiPace, David Rohlfs, Damian Surma wouldn't be among the top two or three forwards on the Cyclones, but they're as good anyone else the Cyclones have up front.
Matt Krug, Adam Welch, Jason Lawmaster and Russ Smith are collectively as good as the Cyclones top four on defense. Krug, by the way, would be the Cyclones best defenseman. Sebastien Centomo is a better goalie than either Mayer or Smith. He may not be 2-3 years from now, but right now he is.
Dayton doesn't have anyone that's as good as the Cyclones two or three best players, but they have a lot of guys that are the same kind of players. Put them in a Cyclones uniform and they would look the same to you as Barrett Eghoetz.
The puck movement in IHL, especially on the power play, is better than it is in the ECHL. Muskegon moves the puck around better with the man-advantage than a lot of teams in the AHL. Robinson, Bouchard and Krug...those guys know what to do with the puck BEFORE they have it.
In the ECHL, you have mostly first and second year pros. The players aren't as polished as guys that are in their third, fourth, fifth years as pros, which the IHL has more of because they can carry more veteran players. Players that get squeezed out of the AHL and ECHL because of the veteran rules in those leagues find homes in the IHL. They're good players, but there's just no room for them because of the veteran rule. |
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hrc666
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Posted - 12/17/2009 : 3:47:35 PM
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You have got to be kidding me about the Eghoetz crack! The Dayton forwards may have two guys who would even be on the Cyclones roster.
The Dayton defense has such luminaries as Brian Nathe, Preston Briggs and Nathan Oke on them. Labenski would be an excellent player for the Cyclones and perhaps a few others would make the roster, but that's it.
I haven't seen Muskegon play yet-I plan to on Friday. I've seen Robinson play before; he's a great AA player. Bouchards's stats suggest he'd be a very good ECHLer. The games I saw him play last season were unimpressive, but they were in the finals when Muskegon was overmatched. DiPace is probably along for the ride on the top line. Surma had all of 22 points in 41 games for Stockton a few years ago. Rohlfs couldn't cut in with Stockton; just like Surma.
The notion of Muskegon's forwards (other than their top line) being able to get regular ice time with the Cyclones is absurd.
Players like Bouchard and Robinson make the PP look great. Dayton's PP is far worse than the Cyclones PP this year. And the Cyclone's is medicore. The notion of superior IHL PP puck movement is silly.
The notion of this Muskegon team beating the 07-08 Cyclones is farcical. But, you know that.
You've got it in for Weber. No surprise there.
Your antipathy toward the Cyclones is getting very old. How are the Monarchs coming along?
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"The only way David Desharnais will see an NHL game is if he buys a ticket".
--donnie hockey
"David Desharnais will be invisible during 5 on 5 hockey. IN THE AHL"
--donnie hockey
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Donnie Hockey
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Posted - 12/17/2009 : 4:28:21 PM
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You should change your screen name to Clueless Joe. 
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Edited by - Donnie Hockey on 12/17/2009 4:29:01 PM |
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cyclonehole
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Posted - 12/17/2009 : 5:10:01 PM
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Originally posted by Donnie Hockey
Which minor pro league is the best depends on which league the Cyclones are playing in at the time.
Which minor pro league is the best depends on which league the Cyclones are not playing in at the time. |
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poff34
(The Next Level!)
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Posted - 12/17/2009 : 8:47:13 PM
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Originally posted by Donnie Hockey
You should change your screen name to Clueless Joe.
you should change your name to idiot donnie |
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hrc666
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Posted - 12/18/2009 : 12:35:25 AM
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Originally posted by Donnie Hockey
You should change your screen name to Clueless Joe.
Please show me the Muskegon/Cyclone KC Champ match ups which give Muskegon the advantage.
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"The only way David Desharnais will see an NHL game is if he buys a ticket".
--donnie hockey
"David Desharnais will be invisible during 5 on 5 hockey. IN THE AHL"
--donnie hockey
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TwoMinutesWellWorthIt
(The Next Level!)
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Posted - 12/18/2009 : 01:40:40 AM
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| Rich Kromm 372 games on NHL experience as a player, Chuck Weber ZERO. Who would you want to play for? |
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hrc666
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Posted - 12/18/2009 : 02:25:03 AM
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Originally posted by TwoMinutesWellWorthIt
Rich Kromm 372 games on NHL experience as a player, Chuck Weber ZERO. Who would you want to play for?
Kromm's coaching record is pretty crappy except during his Muskegon stints. He musn't be much of a coach. He's got an NHL playing background, had chances to coach at the AHL and is now coaching in the dying IHL. Not very impressive.
Hey,Ryan. Still waiting on your match ups of the superior Gems vs. the Cyclones. What's holding you up? |
"The only way David Desharnais will see an NHL game is if he buys a ticket".
--donnie hockey
"David Desharnais will be invisible during 5 on 5 hockey. IN THE AHL"
--donnie hockey
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JTest
(The Next Level!)
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Posted - 12/18/2009 : 08:21:46 AM
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Donnie ******** strikes again.
I lived in Ft. Wayne for 21 years and spent that majotity of those years going to Komets games. I went to a game last year and was amazed at how sloppy the the passing was. The game was much slower and it was apparent to me that this was not the same level of play as the ECHL.
Leave it to Donnie ******** to come in and have a negative opinion on anything related to the Cyclones - now it is the league that they play in. WHAT A ********  |
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SCUBA
(Been Here Awhile)
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Posted - 12/18/2009 : 3:02:22 PM
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Originally posted by Donnie Hockey
Which minor pro league is the best depends on which league the Cyclones are playing in at the time.
You just cannot help yourself Can you? And after I HEARD YOU WERE TIRED OF ALL THE BANTER? again......Didn't rumpkie pick up all your Duck/Cyclones stuff you set out on the curb? I thought I read that someplace
The Thread was started by one of the folks that seem to get a rise when folks get all riled up. The argument is really stupid, the disclaimer here is: alot of you have forgotten more about hockey then I know, but with that said just looking at the overall picture it would be ridiculous to think the the IHL, a league that seems to crutch along each season, is a higher level of play than the ECHL. you can breakdown all the individual players and stats, cut it anyway you would like but in the end the pecking order still remains in North America...NHL, AHL, ECHL, IHL and really beneath the ECHL there are several leagues that could jockey...throw in the Juniors somewhere if you must, I'm not arguing that.
the Whole veterans in the IHL means nothing except a bunch of older guys that was unable to stay in the ECHL, or the AHL because they were not good enough, the rules on having verterans in the ECHL seem stricter, however if the Veterans in the IHL were better, then wouldn't they displace the few verterans in the ECHL?
Historically Seems like all this banter places huge emphasis on if the NHL feels it's valid than it must be, the NHL isn't falling over themselves putting their prospects in the IHL. A very quick, I mean quick search of IHL affiliations didn't immediatly turn up anything, If the IHL was better, better because of veterans and puck movement then I would imagine that the NHL would pay closer attention. Stop and drop affiliations with ECHL teams only to pick up IHL affiliations? The hell with the ECHL, get me the Lumberjacks on the phone! I would imagine that a case could me made for individual players in the IHL being better than a few individual players from the ECHL, But compairing the whole ECHL to the IHL.....weak, very weak.
The piece about the lumberjacks being better than the Kelly Cup team, that's just beautiful in so many ways, 1.) because most of us keep that season dear, and any reference to any team being better or somehow illegitimizing the season would indeed rile us up 2.) Can't prove it...and it's your opinion, leaving it wide open for me to call BS and thinking it's the most ridiculous opinion I have ever heard in my life. |
Edited by - SCUBA on 12/18/2009 3:04:02 PM |
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