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SCUBA
(Been Here Awhile)
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 Posted - 05/19/2010 : 4:27:08 PM
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There is nothing more that I would love to see than every sport in cincy doing well and thriving, I get it that the City has been brained washed on major league sports. I have watched folks throw money at the Reds and Bengals as they meander through season after season with new GMs and coaches that drop the "we are committed to win" banter. I used to love watching the Reds, infact prior to 1994, mt Wife's family had season tix and we would spend the day downtown prior to the game. Funny, it seems like we haven't recovered from the strike year. Certainly the Clones have and never will be as popular as the Reds or the Bengals however as far as success goes recently...the two just doesn't compare.
I would agree with you the Reds have been playing well, they appear to have some talent. Hopefully the Mess as you call it has been cleaned up. Despite that we are a small market and will never compete against the MLB teams that throw the cash around. That is a league issue though and the Reds can only do the best they can. I'll still catch about 4-5 games per year, casually
I hope we can agree however that despite the current hot-ness of the Reds, it doesn't prove anything as to their transformation. |
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cloneinator
(Been Here Awhile)
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Posted - 05/19/2010 : 4:50:03 PM
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Well, unfortunately I believe overall I would have to agree a little more with Catch22 on his assessment of this not being a "Hockey town." It's not just due to shear numbers, but listen to the media and sports talk radio. The Cyclones have to get this deep into the playoffs to even get mentioned on most sports talk radio. In three hours of sports talk last Sunday morning, knucklehead Ken Broo mentioned the Cyclones once for about 30 seconds in a three hour program. Cincinnati spent over a half billion dollars each on two sports teams (courtesy of the tax payers) for losing franchises. If the Cyclones packed up and left town tomorrow, it would be a one paragraph story on page 12 under the bass fishing tournament in whatchamacallet Indiana. You think Cincinnati would pay one red cent to keep the Cyclones around? Not on your life!
Sure the Cyclones numbers are growing. Because they are WINNING, just like Banner Lady indicated. God help us if Coach Weber leaves and they can't fill his spot with someone that can do what he did. If this team were to be below .500 3/4 of the way through the season, it would be the beginning of the end. And let us not forget as much as we don't want to admit it, the Cyclones are a business to the owners of US Bank Arena. If they get to the point where they don't turn a profit, they would get dropped in a New York minute.
While most of you are smarter than me, no one is more passionate about the Cyclones than me. And with the exception of about 1500 of us, we are in the minority. |
...And on the eighth day, GOD created the Cyclones! |
Edited by - cloneinator on 05/19/2010 4:52:53 PM |
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Donnie Hockey
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Posted - 05/19/2010 : 5:02:10 PM
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The Reds and Bengals matter to several hundred thousand people. What they do is newsworthy to the community. What the Cyclones do matters to about 750. That's why a Ken Broo might only spend 30 seconds of a 3-hour program talking about the Cyclones.
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Donnie Hockey
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Posted - 05/19/2010 : 5:17:16 PM
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Originally posted by SCUBA
[Despite that we are a small market and will never compete against the MLB teams that throw the cash around. That is a league issue though and the Reds can only do the best they can. I'll still catch about 4-5 games per year, casually
The Tampa Bay Rays have competed well the past three years against the two teams in their division that are at the top in throwing cash around in the Yankees and Red Sox. The Minnesota Twins seem to compete every year. Those teams draft well and develop players. The Reds have been following the same blueprint. |
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dtwells
(The Next Level!)
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Posted - 05/19/2010 : 5:20:24 PM
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| Fully agree Donnie. While its much much easier to be able to throw out 200M each year and buy a good team, if you nail the draft you can be as good as anybody else. Rays have proven that. As for the twins, well it doesnt hurt that nobody in the AL Central are big spenders, but yes, if you nail your top draft pick it works. When the reds get Volquez back, they could be scary. |
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cloneinator
(Been Here Awhile)
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Posted - 05/19/2010 : 8:19:31 PM
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Originally posted by Donnie Hockey
The Reds and Bengals matter to several hundred thousand people. What they do is newsworthy to the community. What the Cyclones do matters to about 750. That's why a Ken Broo might only spend 30 seconds of a 3-hour program talking about the Cyclones.
Your point is well taken and I would not disagree with it. The same can even be said about college basketball in Cincinnati (I personally do not care at all for it, but many people do). If nothing else, that gives credibility to what Catch22 said about this not being a hockey town.
Even with an NHL team I don't think Columbus is a hockey town. I would not be surprised to see the Blue Jackets fold or move within the next few years. Granted they have Ohio State to compete with, but besides soccer there are no other professional sports teams to compete with there and they have all kinds of financial problems. |
...And on the eighth day, GOD created the Cyclones! |
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SCUBA
(Been Here Awhile)
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Posted - 05/19/2010 : 8:23:08 PM
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Originally posted by Donnie Hockey
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Originally posted by SCUBA
[Despite that we are a small market and will never compete against the MLB teams that throw the cash around. That is a league issue though and the Reds can only do the best they can. I'll still catch about 4-5 games per year, casually
The Tampa Bay Rays have competed well the past three years against the two teams in their division that are at the top in throwing cash around in the Yankees and Red Sox. The Minnesota Twins seem to compete every year. Those teams draft well and develop players. The Reds have been following the same blueprint.
The problem with your argument is the Reds have a history of being non-competitive. If this is the beginning of somethin' nice then i'm all for it, however with the histories of the Bengals and Reds, i'm taking a "i'll believe it when I see it approach" |
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Donnie Hockey
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Posted - 05/19/2010 : 8:46:03 PM
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Originally posted by SCUBA
The problem with your argument is the Reds have a history of being non-competitive. If this is the beginning of somethin' nice then i'm all for it, however with the histories of the Bengals and Reds, i'm taking a "i'll believe it when I see it approach"
The Bengals were the NFL North Division champions in 2009 and 2005. Their record is over .500 in the Marvin Lewis era. When Carson Palmer's been healthy, they've won. They've been to two Super Bowls in their history, something a number of NFL teams still have yet to accomplish.
Even if the Reds and Bengals finish in last place every year, it's still a chance to watch Major League Baseball and the National Football League. The Cyclones can win 10 Kelly Cups in a row and it's still low level minor league that not many people in this town will ever care about.
People talk about the Reds and Bengals 12 months out of the year. You never hear anyone call WLW Sports Talk in July and ask what the Cyclones plan to do to address the blueline. |
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SCUBA
(Been Here Awhile)
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Posted - 05/19/2010 : 9:15:49 PM
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you are completly missing the point, do we watch any level of sport to just watch them be good? Bengals, huh? 2005 and 2009, out in the first round. Marvin lewis era? thats a funny one, he's o'fer in the post season thus far. Bengals super bowls you say, how many folks can name the first losers of the Super Bowl, isn't the goal to win a championship, or win just enough to keep folks interested?
I'm not sitting on the edge of my seat waiting to hear anyone call WLW to talk about Cyclones hockey. I do however listen to WLW call after call after call from folks disgusted with the way that our to "pro" teams have performed within the last decade......and fans still go and buy tickets like cows to a slaughter. The Bengals have yet to show me concrete proof that the Browns are committed to winning, The Reds are commited to winning if it fits their budget.....hey I hope your right about Reds, I hope this is a sign of better things to come. Your going to have to show me alittle bit more then a streak of wins. There is most certainly ALOT of baseball to play. In the meantime the Clones despite their minor league status continue to be the most scuccesful sports franchise in this city within the last 10 or so years, maybe longer. |
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Donnie Hockey
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Posted - 05/19/2010 : 10:47:29 PM
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| Scuba, the reality is the vast majority of the community would prefer to have losing Reds and Bengals teams every year than a low level minor league hockey team that wins the Kelly Cup every year. |
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Edited by - Donnie Hockey on 05/19/2010 10:55:03 PM |
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Gordon Bombay
(The Next Level!)
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Posted - 05/19/2010 : 11:23:43 PM
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Originally posted by cloneinator
Cincinnati spent over a half billion dollars each on two sports teams (courtesy of the tax payers) for losing franchises. If the Cyclones packed up and left town tomorrow, it would be a one paragraph story on page 12 under the bass fishing tournament in whatchamacallet Indiana. You think Cincinnati would pay one red cent to keep the Cyclones around? Not on your life!
You're comparing apples to oranges and "losing" franchises means nothing, a major league sports franchise means more to a community than just its record of winning. The Reds and Bengals are not just an entertainment option for the local population, they're a bolster for tourism and have a much stronger economic impact than a mid level minor league hockey team. The local politicians fought for new major league venues because they knew without them, there was a strong chance of losing those franchises. Now, often times (as we've seen with the bengals) teams can hold cities hostage. In a city like Cincinnati though, if we were to lose the Reds or Bengals it would be very unlikely that we'd see another major league franchise enter this market, hence why we fought to get them new stadiums. They're an economic boost to the area. In smaller markets where the minor league team is the only game in town, you'll see them do similar things. Look at Ft. Wayne and Toledo with building new venues for their minor league teams.
The cyclones don't matter as much, because how many times have we seen minor league teams come and go, particularly arena football. Even in the hockey realm, we've seen various cyclones franchises return and come back and so forth. I think the WLWT poll is a little unfair as the Cyclones don't register on as many peoples radar as the major league teams. Maybe if it was are you more excited about the Reds, football or the Cyclones of the NHL competing for the Stanley Cup we'd see more balance.
Regardless, its refreshing to see the Cyclones year after year not only have success on the ice, but continue to grow a fanbase and increase their presence, advertising and promotion. The ECHL Columbus Chill were responsible for creating numerous hockey fans in Columbus prior to the jackets arrival, hopefully the cyclones will continue to spur hockey fans here in Cincinnati. |
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JK_112880
(The Next Level!)
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Posted - 05/20/2010 : 06:35:12 AM
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So what's the ultimate lesson here? We've learned that the Cyclones aren't as popular as the Reds or Bengals (I knew that to begin with, but I'm glad I still get to hear it ad nauseam throughout this thread.)
Is the lesson that we should only like what the rest of the masses like, or am I allowed to be perfectly happy with my low-level minor league hockey club? I like the Reds and Bengals too. How can that be possible?!
As long as the Cyclones are able to put a good product out there that I'm willing to pay for and, in my opinion has some value to me, and as long they can turn enough of a profit to stay in business, then I couldn't care less about whether the Cyclones are "as popular" as the big guys.
Not every rock band was as big as the Beatles, either. Does that mean one couldn't be perfectly happy with seeing a band that they really enjoy, but may only draw 500 people on a given night? I don't think it does. |
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SCUBA
(Been Here Awhile)
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Posted - 05/20/2010 : 07:09:55 AM
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Originally posted by Donnie Hockey
Scuba, the reality is the vast majority of the community would prefer to have losing Reds and Bengals teams every year than a low level minor league hockey team that wins the Kelly Cup every year.
I cannot disagree, it's rather shocking.
I have had more fun watching "low level minor league hockey" then I ever have in the last 10 years of Reds baseball and Bengals football.
Financially it just doesn't make sense for my family to pay pro major league prices to watch the 2 Major teams in the city without some assurances that I might see a win. It just sucks to lose.
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elder85
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Posted - 05/20/2010 : 2:04:53 PM
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I have read this website for many years and am a big Clones fan but have never posted before now.
I wish that everyone would stop responding to anything posted by DH. He was and is negative to anything associated with the Clones. It is curious that he has had 3 post in the last 120 days and all of them with a negative slant. Sorry his AHL team did not work out but coming on here and stirring the pot in the middle of the Kelly Cup is just his jealousy coming out. Get over it DH and worry about Scooby-Doo land instead. |
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SCUBA
(Been Here Awhile)
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Posted - 05/20/2010 : 2:35:00 PM
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Originally posted by elder85
I have read this website for many years and am a big Clones fan but have never posted before now.
I wish that everyone would stop responding to anything posted by DH. He was and is negative to anything associated with the Clones. It is curious that he has had 3 post in the last 120 days and all of them with a negative slant. Sorry his AHL team did not work out but coming on here and stirring the pot in the middle of the Kelly Cup is just his jealousy coming out. Get over it DH and worry about Scooby-Doo land instead.
Under different circumstances I would agree with you, like off shore shark feeding, however he brings up a very curious fact if you will about the City and hockey that I think is relevent to a discussion.
DH brought up the fact that the general community would rather go to see the Reds and Bengals lose than watch the Cyclones win a cup each year. Curious, My Wife works in Northern Kentucky and was discussing the Cyclones when a co-worker indicated he didn't even know the Cyclones were still playing....leading me to wonder if despite doing a better job of marketing this year and last that there is still work to be done exposing the city to the Cyclones. In addition, I wonder what it would take to expose the community to the very strong ties we have with the parent NHL clubs and the AHL. Yesterday after dwelling on this thread I asked other co-workers of mine what they felt about the Cyclones and the ECHL. None were aware that the ECHL is in fact a viable developmental minor league for the NHL. One co-worker even felt that the league was the same as the adult semi-pro football teams you see holding out tryouts from time to time. I'm certain that ONE person might agree that it is.
I wonder what it would take to host an NHL pre-season game here? even AHL preseason for that matter. Is Cincy not a hockey town simply because there is more to do?
lastly, another friend of mine said he didn't follow hockey because it was too hard to understand. Really? take the puck and shoot it into the net, sounds pretty easy to me, far less rules in hockey than football......as for feeding the strays, I agree Mr Elder
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