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bhf303
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 Posted - 03/28/2011 : 6:13:48 PM
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It seems to me that both sides make good arguments, it is a minor league team, who will hit snags from time to time. But, (there is always a "but" lol) I don't think Skalde is anything better than an average coach and I base my opinion on his three years as a coach. To me, I think three years of mediocirty is enough. With that being said,I do believe I am probably a harsher critic than most.
His record in two years at Bloomington was 60-74-7-11 with back to back fifth place finishes in their division. This year, Bloomington is 37-22-7 and sits in third place. Skalde leaves and they improve, he comes here and the Clones take over Bloomingtons role, so to speak.
I heard arguments that he had a poor organization to deal with in Bloomington, so I thought maybe he would fare better here, but he hasn't, and I don't think anyone can make a claim that Cincy is a poor organization.
I have read some other comments elsewhere and the tone wasn't all that great.
http://www.journalgazette.net/article/20100813/BLOGS11/100819755
http://finishyourcheck.com/index.php?showtopic=41815
http://www.pantagraph.com/sports/hockey/professional/minor/prairiethunder/article_93d8461c-a62c-11df-bc80-001cc4c03286.html?mode=comments
I don't know, their new coach, Jason Christie was named CHL coach of the year, and ours, well, he wasn't. Christie assembled a good team in less time than Skalde had, maybe we can take Bloomingtons coach again after this season.
Maybe I'm comparing apples to oranges here.
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Donnie Hockey
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Posted - 03/28/2011 : 6:44:20 PM
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If we make the playoffs great, but if we don't as long as they come out strong next year, there are no problems.
"We" and "they" when referring to the same thing in the same sentence. Nice piece of writing there, Ricky!
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cMan2KellyCup
(Been Here Awhile)
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Posted - 03/28/2011 : 7:28:54 PM
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I dont think its about being a Bengals fan, I think its about Cincinnati not wanting to take the same crap they get from the Bengals... the Cyclones may be minor league hockey, but I think I speak for a lot of people when I say that I demand good results each year and expect it each year, no exceptions. I don't care if we finish dead last... STILL if we try hard and play good hockey for 72 games, it will be good enough for me. This year this team has had to scrape wins together and mix it in with total half-assed play in some games, and I saw no game out of the 360 games Chuck coached us that was halved... we played tough, smart and aggressive and it led us to the two best nights of my life as a hockey fan.
But I am not even talking about Chuck, I am talking about post-Chuck, and a coaching staff that has our boys clinging onto a playoff berth by a thread, and it sickens me that Jarrod is not taking this thread and showing it off to his players... The roster is full of Chuck's boys from Rochester, yeah, but its not who brought them there, its who led them afterwards, that I scrutinize |
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cMan2KellyCup
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Posted - 03/28/2011 : 7:32:15 PM
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| And yeah I am one of those people that measures a coach now or the future to the teams that Ron Smith and Chuck Weber came up with. Smith's teams didnt win squat, but they were always right there in the leaderboard and he knew how to grab and maintain good talent and hold them to their true potential. I can also name one more other than Chuck... Malcolm Cameron, who took us to within one game of the finals in 2003... and it was Paul Lawless who coached the team out of the wilderness when we were in trouble in 2002... do you all see why I am condemning Jarrod Skalde for how things are now? |
KELLY CUP CHAMPIONS- 2008, 2010
AMERICAN/EASTERN CONFERENCE CHAMPIONS- 2008, 2010, 2014
DIVISION CHAMPIONS- 1996, 2008, 2009, 2013
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fangers
(The Next Level!)
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Posted - 03/28/2011 : 7:42:11 PM
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Originally posted by Donnie Hockey
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Originally posted by cycfan
If we make the playoffs great, but if we don't as long as they come out strong next year, there are no problems.
"We" and "they" when referring to the same thing in the same sentence. Nice piece of writing there, Ricky!
stick to talking hockey donnie... |
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Donnie Hockey
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Posted - 03/28/2011 : 7:51:52 PM
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stick to talking hockey donnie...
I'll post what I want, Joe. |
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Catch22
(Been Here Awhile)
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Posted - 03/28/2011 : 9:07:13 PM
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For me it has nothing to do with the record or if they go to the playoffs. Its all about effort and preparedness of the team. This team has taken so many periods and a few entire games off that it is inexcusable. The fact that they are still in the playoff hunt anyway just shows what they COULD have done with consistent effort all year.
As I've mentioned before, as a fan I can take a loss. I can take multiple losses. But what I can't so is keep spending my time and money to go watch a team that is a complete no-show. I can even take that for an odd game here and there, but it has actually become our expectation that this team will be flat in the first period at EVERY home game.
And as noted above, the excuses for why Skalde wasn't good in his previous role seem to have been dismantled by his successor.
Just sayin.
He now has 3 sub-par regular seasons as a head coach and zero good ones. I'm not excited about giving him a 4th shot at it, nor am I excited about the potential of him ditching our proven regulars (Barrett, Sproat, Reynolds) to bring in "his guys" and still go .500 again. |
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Apocalypse Sticks
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Posted - 03/28/2011 : 10:01:04 PM
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For me it has nothing to do with the record or if they go to the playoffs. Its all about effort and preparedness of the team. This team has taken so many periods and a few entire games off that it is inexcusable. The fact that they are still in the playoff hunt anyway just shows what they COULD have done with consistent effort all year.
As I've mentioned before, as a fan I can take a loss. I can take multiple losses. But what I can't so is keep spending my time and money to go watch a team that is a complete no-show. I can even take that for an odd game here and there, but it has actually become our expectation that this team will be flat in the first period at EVERY home game.
And as noted above, the excuses for why Skalde wasn't good in his previous role seem to have been dismantled by his successor.
Just sayin.
He now has 3 sub-par regular seasons as a head coach and zero good ones. I'm not excited about giving him a 4th shot at it, nor am I excited about the potential of him ditching our proven regulars (Barrett, Sproat, Reynolds) to bring in "his guys" and still go .500 again.
Not to get off topic, but Sproat has made several references through Twitter about going to graduate school. This could be his last season to hit the ice professionally.
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cycfan
(The Next Level!)
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Posted - 03/29/2011 : 12:17:23 AM
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Originally posted by fangers
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Originally posted by Donnie Hockey
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Originally posted by cycfan
If we make the playoffs great, but if we don't as long as they come out strong next year, there are no problems.
"We" and "they" when referring to the same thing in the same sentence. Nice piece of writing there, Ricky!
stick to talking hockey donnie...
He's a bitter old troll, that no one really cares about Joe. If he can't be the victim or the instigator, he's got nothing. Let him be miserable and alone, and ignore him. |
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dbc
(Been Here Awhile)
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Posted - 03/29/2011 : 10:18:00 AM
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How much of this season is due the coach and how much is due the players? We will never know. What goes on between them for 8 months is not public. Perhaps this team actually overachieved given the talent level; Perhaps they underachieved and should have been in first place. What is important is that the coach and team are one unit and get the most out of each other while respecting each other, but I am not privy to that and therefore leave Skalde's fate up to management and the affiliates.
I personally don't like the system Skalde has had them playing all season but that is his choice and might be the right choice given the combined player skill set he has to work with. I had posted last summer that I thought the delay in getting a coach would cost us dearly in talent level available and I think it has.
My only other potential problem with Skalde has to do with what I heard Saturday night that he said at the breakfast that morning for season ticket holders and I would like to get some perspective from those who were there on what was really said and how it was said. When asked what we have to do to beat Toledo, I heard he said something to the effect of "I don't know. If you know, come on down to the dressing room." Was this said tongue in cheek, was he dishing on the person who asked, or was he frustrated? If he was frustrated I have a real problem and word of that comment getting back to players could easily have contributed to Saturday night's performance. If the players don't believe that the coach doesn't have answers and believes in them, then he should be gone. Commentts from those who were there? |
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ChazyG
(The Next Level!)
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Posted - 03/29/2011 : 10:27:54 AM
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Catch22
(Been Here Awhile)
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Posted - 03/29/2011 : 10:46:59 AM
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Given the situation, even if it was tongue in cheek (which I'm sure it was) he shouldn't have said it.
Why?
Because they just murdered you, at home, and you clearly actually DON'T know how to beat them.
Reasons, after a full season, *I* think Skalde isn't ready to coach at this level:
- He doesn't seem to be able to prepare his team for home games. If he has made any changes to their routine, it hasn't worked.
- He doesn't seem to be able to take advantage of having last change at home.
- I have yet to see him rally his bench when things aren't going well.
- He hasn't demonstrated an ability to effectively backfill injuries and call-ups (something Weber excelled at), and that is a key to survival in this league.
- You don't make tongue in cheek comments the day after your team just no-showed, at home, in a critical game.
Sorry guys. A couple of months ago I was leaning towards giving him another year, but we just (reluctantly) bought our season tickets for next year and I simply don't want to watch the product we had on the ice this year again. It has been embarrassing at times.
As I said, I don't really care if we make the playoffs and go deep this year. If we do it'll be luck, or this team finally putting together a consistent effort after not doing so all season. Don't tell me to eat crow if that happens. I don't care.
What I do care about is all the piss-poor, no show, stand around, never hit anybody hockey I've paid to watch all season. I don't want to see it again next year, thanks.
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bhf303
(The Next Level!)
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Posted - 03/29/2011 : 11:04:44 AM
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Originally posted by Catch22
Given the situation, even if it was tongue in cheek (which I'm sure it was) he shouldn't have said it.
Why?
Because they just murdered you, at home, and you clearly actually DON'T know how to beat them.
Reasons, after a full season, *I* think Skalde isn't ready to coach at this level:
- He doesn't seem to be able to prepare his team for home games. If he has made any changes to their routine, it hasn't worked.
- He doesn't seem to be able to take advantage of having last change at home.
- I have yet to see him rally his bench when things aren't going well.
- He hasn't demonstrated an ability to effectively backfill injuries and call-ups (something Weber excelled at), and that is a key to survival in this league.
- You don't make tongue in cheek comments the day after your team just no-showed, at home, in a critical game.
Sorry guys. A couple of months ago I was leaning towards giving him another year, but we just (reluctantly) bought our season tickets for next year and I simply don't want to watch the product we had on the ice this year again. It has been embarrassing at times.
As I said, I don't really care if we make the playoffs and go deep this year. If we do it'll be luck, or this team finally putting together a consistent effort after not doing so all season. Don't tell me to eat crow if that happens. I don't care.
What I do care about is all the piss-poor, no show, stand around, never hit anybody hockey I've paid to watch all season. I don't want to see it again next year, thanks.
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cloneinator
(Been Here Awhile)
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Posted - 03/29/2011 : 1:38:10 PM
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| I'm afraid I must also agree. I will wait until the off season to see if I renew my 24 game pack or go to a 12. It's 60 miles for me round trip and that gets a little pricey to watch with what happened out there this year. I will go to more games than that, but will buy them at the window. |
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dbc
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Posted - 03/29/2011 : 1:47:59 PM
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Thanks but to make it clear, his comment was made the morning of the debacle before the game--not after it. Even if tongue in cheek--you don't make statements like that to your most loyal fan base.
This team has some talent. Their record against the teams outside our division is 18-7-6 for 42 points in 31 games or a point percent of a strong .667 . Yet the record within the division is an awful 14-21-4 for only 32 points in 39 games a weak percent of .410. The puzzle has to be matchups. We just don't match up against teams that constantly forecheck and backcheck like the rest of our division do. As we play the majority of our games in our division we need to ensure next year we have a team that either can play this type of game or at least can play against it. |
Edited by - dbc on 03/29/2011 2:26:42 PM |
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