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dbc
(Been Here Awhile)
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 Posted - 08/13/2011 : 4:52:35 PM
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Yup me too. Might be average in your mind Donnie but he was leading scorer the last two seasons including a Kelly Cup season, and has been as valuable off the ice as on it in the locker room and with younger players. He has taken the "C" on his jersey very seriously. Strong community presence year round who has constantly helped grow hockey in the area. Unless we get four thirty goal scorers with our veteran slots, he would have been more valuable to keep. All I have seen in that veteran category so far is Aubin and I would take Ehgo over him if I had to. Except for Aubin, the roster looks a lot like a CHL roster so far.
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Catch22
(Been Here Awhile)
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Posted - 08/13/2011 : 5:23:45 PM
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So Donnie, you figure there are better guys out there (and Skalde is going to get at least one of them) than the leading scorer the past two seasons, experience of two successful playoff runs, and a guy the community embraces?
Really?
Do you really believe that or are you just being your typical argumentative self?
Want to put some cash on the credentials of the player Skalde uses to replace Ehgo not being even close to those of the guy he is showing the door?
IMO this has nothing to do with Ehgo's production, paycheck or position in the community. It is all about Skalde making it Skalde's team, a recipe that Ehgo doesn't fit in.
We'll see how that turns out, but I doubt it will go well.
If nothing else maybe we'll have a goon squad that is entertaining to watch on some level. Is Oglethorpe available?
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cyfa48
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USA
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Posted - 08/13/2011 : 9:25:22 PM
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Since this isn't a hockey town by any means as has been repeatedly said, I felt like Ehgoetz was an integral part of helping to put butts in the stands. Mind you, I have followed this team since '97 and would have been there regardless, but there is something to be said for stability in a roster with as much turnover as an ECHL roster. I always felt that way with Greg Labenski in Dayton. Yeah, maybe not the most explosive point guy, but a great glue player to have on your team.
Ehgoetz had some great scoring plays through his years here and will be fondly remembered. I felt like he may have been diminishing at this point, but I still thought he could have come back to anchor a lower line on the team.
Skalde has made his presence known about what he wants on this team. It will either win the fans over or be another solid nail in his coaching career coffin here. |
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Donnie Hockey
(Loves To Post!)
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Posted - 08/14/2011 : 6:14:23 PM
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Originally posted by dbc
Might be average in your mind Donnie but he was leading scorer the last two seasons including a Kelly Cup season,
In the minor leagues, the leading scorer for teams tend to be the guys that stayed there all season rather than getting called up to the next level. Would he have been the leading scorer the past two seasons if he had missed 12-20 games while on recall to the AHL?
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Originally posted by dbc
All I have seen in that veteran category so far is Aubin and I would take Ehgo over him if I had to. Except for Aubin, the roster looks a lot like a CHL roster so far.
The best teams and players in the CHL would be among the best teams and players in the ECHL. Todd Robinson, for instance, would be the best player on whatever team he played for in the ECHL.
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Wonderful to have you back.
Much like the Frisch's Big Boy, I never left.
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BP2011
(Been Here Awhile)
USA
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Posted - 08/14/2011 : 7:51:00 PM
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I for one am quite upset about Ehgoetz not being tendered but what makes me even more upset is Skalde does not respect Ehgoetz. This is from the PR from the Aubin signing:
“I think it says a lot about Mathieu as an individual that Cincinnati is the place he wants to play,” said Cyclones Head Coach Jarrod Skalde. “He’s very proud of this organization and the accomplishments he has made while with the Cyclones. He’s a quality person and a great teammate in addition to being an integral part of our offense.”
Ehgoetz wants/well wanted to play in Cincinnati, Ehgoetz was proud of the accomplishments he has made with the Cyclones, Ehgoetz is a quality person, great teammate and was an integral part of the offense.
I am happy that Aubin is back but Aubin is the type of person that sees Cincy as a stepping stone to try and rekindle his career maybe, he knows if he plays well he will get a PTO somewhere. Ehgoetz would have stayed and played 9.9/10 times he had been offered a PTO. This clearly shows that Ehgoetz was not a Skalde guy. I understand "its a business" but in the minors where fans are attatched to a lot of players, get to know a lot of the players, form friendships, when they do not sign a favorite player, who just happens to be the team captain, who just happens to now call Cincy home, who just happened to help bring this team back to credibility, who helped bring this team two championships, it may hurt harder $$ wise and ticket wise then if the Reds let Joey Votto go. The minors are just as much a business as the majors but minor league teams need the fans and if the fans get mad they stop coming. I want nothing but the best for Ehgo and I hope the fans keep coming but I hope for Skalde's sake he knows what he is doing because I for one will give him the shortest leash because if you are not tendering the team leader/captain a contract, you better have a good year. |
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dbc
(Been Here Awhile)
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Posted - 08/14/2011 : 11:09:39 PM
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DH-- thanks for stating the obvious about points per game. From the ECHL website data though, last year Egho had .81 points per game which was tied with Matt Pierce for the highest on the team The year before, Kelly Cup year, he had .91 points per game better than anyone except Jimmy Kilpatrick. He beat all NHL/AHL assignees. That address your point? Lets see how many forwards Skalde brings in as Cyclone signees, not NHL assignees, who beat those numbers.
Another point not mentioned about him, he was the best faceoff man on the team and was always out there in key faceoff situations.
I would ask you how many games you have seen Egho play in the last few years but I am sure you will respond that that doesn't matter due to your unique ability to judge talent, heart, and off ice value when you are a 1000 or so miles away.
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Guido
(Finally Got A Star!)
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Posted - 08/14/2011 : 11:17:46 PM
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Bottom Line Point #1
The GM (or in this case the Coach/GM) has to do what he thinks is best for his team to win. Sometimes that means making unpopular decisions; a good leader recognizes this and makes the decision based on what is right now what may or may not be popular.
Bottom Line Point #2
Ultimately, the Coach/GM will be judged on his performance and held accountable by ownership. |
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fangers
(The Next Level!)
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Posted - 08/15/2011 : 12:14:01 AM
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Originally posted by Guido
Bottom Line Point #1
The GM (or in this case the Coach/GM) has to do what he thinks is best for his team to win. Sometimes that means making unpopular decisions; a good leader recognizes this and makes the decision based on what is right now what may or may not be popular.
Bottom Line Point #2
Ultimately, the Coach/GM will be judged on his performance and held accountable by ownership.
except this coach has never proven he knows how to win...and his personnel decisions continue to support why he hasn't.
given all the vets that have either jumped ship or not been asked to stay, I think it's safe to assume that they didn't buy into what skalde was selling and you have to also assume that transpired to some of the crapy we saw on the ice... |
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bags
(Person With Nothing Better To Do!)
USA
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Posted - 08/15/2011 : 06:53:50 AM
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Could this be Skalde's way of getting Ehgoetz out of town ? I say this because
many of us (including myself) has suggested him as an assistant coach now or
later making him a front runner for a head coaching position if "someone" fails.
Remember when Chris Collinsworth was cut from the Bengals. I still think Boomer
was responsible because the focus was on him and not Boomer himself. With Chris
gone, Boomer was now the main focus. With Barrett gone, Skalde has one less thing
to look over his shoulder at. Just another thought from my warped head.  |
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