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dbc
(Been Here Awhile)
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 Posted - 01/05/2012 : 12:01:41 AM
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What a great effort tonight with all the call ups, the two senior citizens, and a cast off CHL goalie. Six wins in row. Tenth in the conference in points but fourth in percent of points due to the big difference with all the other teams having played a lot more games. Still not out of the woods with the goalie situation but this is at least a short term solution.
I know the knives will come out when I say this but I think it is time to give Skalde his due on this board. This is his team this year and after a time to get to know each other and learn his system, they have become a solid, exciting and entertaining ECHL team. We have the third largest differential in goals for/goals against in the conference yet have sustained numerous call ups and goalie uncertainty for much of the year. I know there are people on here who idolize Chuck and his record speaks for itself and the players who produced two championships gave us a lot of memories, but Skalde has his own system and ideas on what he wants in players and they seem to be working well. This team seems to have a super attitude and close locker room which has to be the result of the coaching. Hopefully the call ups and goalie situation will solve themselves without hurting the team. Give the past its due but lets not fall into the Reds fans habit of always comparing teams and managers to Sparky and the Big Red Machine. That was almost 40 years ago. Sklade has done a great job with this team in this year and he deserves a lot of credit for it. |
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bags
(Person With Nothing Better To Do!)
USA
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Posted - 01/05/2012 : 06:28:22 AM
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Yes this is Skalde's team and with that I say you can keep it. Anyone
who saw that game last night and liked it, well don't let me ever hear
you complain about Chicago's "goon squad" hockey again ! After watching
Liambas go head hunting every time a player was near the boards is your
style hockey, then join the drunks who only show up for $1 beers and
cheer the team on. I'm ready to give up my season tickets next year and
just come down on the weekends. It's a shame the great job new goalie
Brad Fogal did was lost in the circus we saw.
The team did play a good aggressive game but all I can remember is an out of
control skater trying to feed his ego. I found myself actually rooting for
Greenville to send him through a glass pane and hoping one
of our other players not taking the punishment he deserved. |
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cloneinator
(Been Here Awhile)
USA
597 Posts |
Posted - 01/05/2012 : 07:23:55 AM
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| I said in a previous thread that Skalde should not be fired but allowed to ride out the rest of the year and let the season dictate whether he should be back. It will take a lot more than this six game winning streak to convince me he is more than a mediocre coach. |
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elvis77
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Posted - 01/05/2012 : 12:59:16 PM
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The hit on Robo was clean as clean can be. Liambas kept his hands and stick down. His elbows were in and he didn't leave his feet. The hit was basically straight on. Robo got caught with his head down and got popped. It was Reynolds that flipped out. Liambas gets under peoples skin and gets them off their game. It's no different than what Chris Morehouse or Hans Benson did.
Also, if you have issue with Skalde for having Liambas on this team but think that say, Dean Stork, would be a better option behind the bench then I roll my eyes and laugh. Give me a break, Stork has TJ Reynolds as a freaking Captain. If you want to talk cheap and dirty players I'll show you Brendan Connolly and raise you TJ Reynolds, both of whom apparently attended the Mike Sgroi Hockey School for the Mentally Unbalanced and passed top of their class.
Comparing this team to a Martinson coached "goon squad," that's a joke. They are the 2nd least penalized team in the League. There is only one player on the Team with more than 60 penalty minutes, which is Liambas, and even his 115 is 30 minutes less than League leader Alex Penner at 142 and isn't out of line with the PIM totals of other players that play the same role. The next highest PIM total on the Cyclones is Justin Vaive at 44, then it drops to Michael Pelech and Anthony Luciani at 34 and 32 respectively. A "goon squad?" Are you serious? Perhaps you'd prefer figure skating?
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Apocalypse Sticks
(The Next Level!)
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Posted - 01/05/2012 : 1:41:09 PM
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I agree that the hit along the boards was clean. However, I take exception to Liambas running the goalie early in the 1st (resulting in his first trip, of many, to the sin bin).
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Originally posted by elvis77
The hit on Robo was clean as clean can be. Liambas kept his hands and stick down. His elbows were in and he didn't leave his feet. The hit was basically straight on. Robo got caught with his head down and got popped. It was Reynolds that flipped out. Liambas gets under peoples skin and gets them off their game. It's no different than what Chris Morehouse or Hans Benson did.
Also, if you have issue with Skalde for having Liambas on this team but think that say, Dean Stork, would be a better option behind the bench then I roll my eyes and laugh. Give me a break, Stork has TJ Reynolds as a freaking Captain. If you want to talk cheap and dirty players I'll show you Brendan Connolly and raise you TJ Reynolds, both of whom apparently attended the Mike Sgroi Hockey School for the Mentally Unbalanced and passed top of their class.
Comparing this team to a Martinson coached "goon squad," that's a joke. They are the 2nd least penalized team in the League. There is only one player on the Team with more than 60 penalty minutes, which is Liambas, and even his 115 is 30 minutes less than League leader Alex Penner at 142 and isn't out of line with the PIM totals of other players that play the same role. The next highest PIM total on the Cyclones is Justin Vaive at 44, then it drops to Michael Pelech and Anthony Luciani at 34 and 32 respectively. A "goon squad?" Are you serious? Perhaps you'd prefer figure skating?
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BP2011
(Been Here Awhile)
USA
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Posted - 01/05/2012 : 2:30:54 PM
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| I will say this about Liambas, he knows his role, does he sometimes goes overboard yes, does he get under peoples skin yes, does he fight yes. However he does not deserve an A and I disagree with Skalde giving him an A. Other then that Liambas is our enforcer, Chicago has a typical Martinson constructed team but all we have is Liambas. |
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jung46n2
(The Next Level!)
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Posted - 01/05/2012 : 2:43:45 PM
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Nice crotch grab on the way out, Reynolds. It's obvious the C he wears stands for class, eh?
I get so tired of hearing people go on about how bad Liambas is. What hockey player in the "tough guy" role doesn't have an ego? It comes with the territory.
Maybe a few of you need to trade in your 'Clones jerseys for some Greenville gear if it hurt your feelings that much. It would be one thing if Robinson was boarded and seriously hurt, but the guy was out on the ice not long after, so was it really that dirty of a hit?
Memories are nice, but this is the 2011-2012 edition of the Cincinnati Cyclones. |
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keeper29
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Posted - 01/05/2012 : 3:52:22 PM
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| Ive got a good solution for the people that dont like the role of liambas. Go watch tennis or golf cuz hockey is a phyical game and if you cant handle it stay the hell home. Prolem solved!!!! |
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Apocalypse Sticks
(The Next Level!)
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Posted - 01/05/2012 : 4:14:44 PM
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Originally posted by keeper29
Ive got a good solution for the people that dont like the role of liambas. Go watch tennis or golf cuz hockey is a phyical game and if you cant handle it stay the hell home. Prolem solved!!!!
Well, at least we know what Liambas's screen name is on here.
I think most people on here are fine with, and fond of, the role of Liambas. It's the execution of Liambas. Dumb penalties. Gives up inches on other role players. Hell, I like him better as a D-Man (when he can stay in position) than as a fighter.
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Donnie Hockey
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USA
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Posted - 01/05/2012 : 7:38:07 PM
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Skalde has done a good job as the head coach. You have to remember, he wasn't given the talent by Florida and Nashville that Weber was given to work with by Montreal, especially the second year he was here. The Cyclones #1 Fan, Hrc666, could have coached that team to 30 wins.
As for the comment about a CHL goalie, the CHL is comporable to the ECHL in terms of caliber of play. The best teams in the CHL would be among the best teams in the ECHL. The CHL has more veteran players and the play is often times more polished in that league. The ECHL is younger and faster. Similar to what the IHL versus AHL was in the mid to late 90's. |
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dbc
(Been Here Awhile)
865 Posts |
Posted - 01/05/2012 : 8:37:45 PM
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Donnie--.my comment on Fogel was primarily due to the fact this was his second release by Quad City this year leaving them with three goalies on their roster. I felt it was not too good of a resume for someone coming in as a # 1 sight unseen, but he played OK the other night after the first period where he was understandably shaky.
Can't really comment on ECHL/CHL comparison except that the few Dayton Gems games I have seen haven't shown that good a quality of play, but it is Dayton after all!! One difference however that comes with the age difference you correctly mentioned is that the goalies in the ECHL seem to be NHL draft picks and are working their way up while a quick look at the CHL goalie stats seems to be mostly non draft picks or older guys who didn't make it. The vast majority of the goalies we have seen on the roster here the last 4 years have gone on to the AHL (and I hope Cedrick makes it one more step). |
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Catch22
(Been Here Awhile)
USA
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Posted - 01/05/2012 : 9:04:54 PM
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Mike does take too many penalties but that said he's an effective agitator.
He's a FAR better skater and hitter than Morehouse was, and if he could just get the hang of the Morehouse Method of getting THE OTHER GUYS to take the penalty he'll be a huge asset.
There really isn't room for both an agitator and an enforcer on an ECHL roster, so we don't really have an enforcer. We have an agitator that fights.
And you can't compare Mike to guys like Penner or Sgroi. Those guys are mentally imbalanced lunatics that clearly enjoy hurting people and display zero respect or sportsmanship. Liambas just brings it hard, and sometimes people get rocked as a result. I'm OK with that.
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Donnie Hockey
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Posted - 01/05/2012 : 9:22:42 PM
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| Does Sgroi still attempt to skate like he's running in place? He was in Albany's training camp a few years ago and was, by far, the worst skater I've seen at the pro level. |
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bags
(Person With Nothing Better To Do!)
USA
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Posted - 01/05/2012 : 9:23:05 PM
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Originally posted by Catch22
Mike does take too many penalties but that said he's an effective agitator.
He's a FAR better skater and hitter than Morehouse was, and if he could just get the hang of the Morehouse Method of getting THE OTHER GUYS to take the penalty he'll be a huge asset.
There really isn't room for both an agitator and an enforcer on an ECHL roster, so we don't really have an enforcer. We have an agitator that fights.
And you can't compare Mike to guys like Penner or Sgroi. Those guys are mentally imbalanced lunatics that clearly enjoy hurting people and display zero respect or sportsmanship. Liambas just brings it hard, and sometimes people get rocked as a result. I'm OK with that.
What I've seen of Liambas, yes I can compare him to Penner or Sgroi. The early
games of this streak, Mike was playing like a hockey player. Ever since the last
minutes of the Chicago home game when he was suckered into the retaliation and
put us in the penalty kill at the critical closing minute, his focus seems to be
dishing out punishment. Dumb penalties, blatant blind side hits and generally
playing in his own zone is not what I want to see. Yes a good hit ever so often
will keep the fear up of the opposition, but constant head hunting only keeps the
refs on our back. If your going to give a free pass to Liambas for his play, what
I said was don't be complaining about Chicago players and their cheap shots. Last
night Mike wasn't the only one getting in on the action. Both sides were guilty but
Mike's swipe at the goalie in the first is what started the problems. |
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dbc
(Been Here Awhile)
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Posted - 01/06/2012 : 10:06:53 AM
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| he also had a 2 minute call for continuing to yak at Reynolds after the ref said to shut up. This was the penalty on which Greenville scored. When Reynolds took his cross check penalty later on he tried to sucker Liambas off the bench to fight and Skalde and a few players had to horse collar him to keep him from going on the ice and getting the extra 2 minute penalty . I am not wild about him but he has played under control pretty well this yearl until the other night. Hopefully he got it out of his system. |
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elvis77
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Posted - 01/06/2012 : 10:19:01 AM
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Originally posted by Donnie Hockey
Does Sgroi still attempt to skate like he's running in place? He was in Albany's training camp a few years ago and was, by far, the worst skater I've seen at the pro level.
Did you see James DeLory when he was with the Cyclones briefly last season. I think he gives Sgroi on run for his money in the not being able to skate department. |
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