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cMan2KellyCup
(Been Here Awhile)
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 Posted - 04/01/2012 : 02:07:26 AM
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Well if no one is going to say it, I guess I will... why do I have to be the bad guy LOL... most of this is out of anger. I'm p----d. This season was not Cyclones hockey at all!
Here's the deal... We played 72 regular season games. we blew too many easy games, gave up too many goals in the worst situations, played a goalie who has no business in pro hockey, and now we are allowed a bunch of pushovers like Reading to make the playoffs and eliminate us!
The only man I have to blame for all of this is Jarrod Skalde. I would like to be the first to demand his termination as head coach of the Cyclones. Maybe if we dump him now we can find a coach who will give us what we want... better development of players and wins while they are in Cincinnati. It is time to go back to a coach similar to Chuck. It is time to fire Jarrod Skalde. Agree with me, disagree with me, call me stupid, etc. I do not care about opinion. I will not sit and experience another season like this year, and the only way to avoid that is to immediately terminate the contract of Jarrod Skalde. And while we are at it, send Andrew Cassels packing. He didn't help us through it either.
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cloneinator
(Been Here Awhile)
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Posted - 04/01/2012 : 07:26:56 AM
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As I just posted on another thread, there is no doubt in my mind the organization will do what they think is best. I may or may not like what they do, but I have total confidence in them.
cMan, whether I agree with you or not, your opinion hardly makes you stupid. All I see is someone who is passionate about this team like me and everyone else on here. Emotions are sure to run high on here as decisions are made, so if I may suggest, lets all keep that in mind and think before we post. |
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bags
(Person With Nothing Better To Do!)
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Posted - 04/01/2012 : 07:50:40 AM
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I will third this motion with a perfect example from last night. Last
night was a "do or die" situation for the playoffs. We shot like mad at
the goalie, but really no intensity for most of the game. Then when we
are actually eliminated from the playoffs, we now have the motivation
needed to pull out all stops- the motivation was keep Chicago out !!
The hardest I saw this team play all year was the last 6 minutes of
regulation and overtime. Why couldn't coach Skalde generate that desire
through out the year. You tell me a player like Barrett Eghoetz on the
roster teaming with Aubin couldn't have given us at least two more
victories while showing the young players the hustle we have learned
to expect from this team dating back to Coach Dennis Desrosiers and
following through Coach Weber.
For anyone thinking this topic is only because we didn't make the playoffs
then welcome to this website. Obviously you haven't been here before
because the "lynch-mob" started last year and hasn't stopped yet. We just
want a coach who will get 100% effort from players when they step on the
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dbc
(Been Here Awhile)
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Posted - 04/01/2012 : 08:51:04 AM
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"I will not sit and experience another season like this year" Gee--what we saw while sitting and experiencing 36 home games this year was winning over 75% of the points available (2nd best in the league), getting points in over 4 out of every 5 games played, averaging nearly a goal a game difference, and now due to those results someone "demands" that the two coaches and their families be fired because they slap down a few hundred bucks for tickets and have determined from those seats that the team had no hustle and no desire in achieving those results. As we say on the way to the penalty box "See ya". Guess the average attendance will be down one or two seats per game.
Chuck and Barrett? Why not Pete and Sparky while we are at it. Mark Twain said "When I die I want to be buried in Cincinnati. Everything happens five years later there;"
Management will make their decision based on their professional assessment of the entire year, home and away, on and off the ice. I will be there next year regardless of their decision/
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bags
(Person With Nothing Better To Do!)
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Posted - 04/01/2012 : 09:14:36 AM
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Originally posted by dbc
"I will not sit and experience another season like this year" Gee--what we saw while sitting and experiencing 36 home games this year was winning over 75% of the points available (2nd best in the league), getting points in over 4 out of every 5 games played, averaging nearly a goal a game difference, and now due to those results someone "demands" that the two coaches and their families be fired because they slap down a few hundred bucks for tickets and have determined from those seats that the team had no hustle and no desire in achieving those results. As we say on the way to the penalty box "See ya". Guess the average attendance will be down one or two seats per game.
Chuck and Barrett? Why not Pete and Sparky while we are at it. Mark Twain said "When I die I want to be buried in Cincinnati. Everything happens five years later there;"
Management will make their decision based on their professional assessment of the entire year, home and away, on and off the ice. I will be there next year regardless of their decision/
I agree 100% with the last line. I am taking the whole season-both home
and away on my desire to let Coach Skalde go. If you think I can't handle
three more home losses in place of a team that could have won 6 more on the
road-your dead wrong. Look at our home wins and you find a team constantly
digging out of a hole to pull out a regulation win or overtime win. I guess
I should just wait till third period to arrive. Not only would I get the
cheaper parking, but then I could see Skalde's boy wonders finally playing.
As for Barret, if your so in love w/ getting rid of all of Coach Weber's
"skeletons", why was Aubin brought back ? |
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Sinbinman
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Posted - 04/01/2012 : 11:13:33 AM
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I guess for me the question that needs to be asked is, as a fan base and an organization are we content with setting our hopes on backing into the playoffs each year? Essentially that is what we did last year and that's what we would have done this year if Reading had lost and we would have won in regulation. While I know it's to much to expect to win the division every year I don't think it's to high of an expectation to make it into the playoffs each year before the last week of the season. Especially given 75% of the league makes it in. Were we spoiled by the success we had when Chuck was here, certainly who wouldn't have been. The fact still remains though that strong organizations that remain viable in a league like this make the playoffs year after year. Drunken dollar nights only go so far as do cheap food nights. The point I guess I'm trying to make is that it's the core fan base that keeps the organization healthy and by missing out on the playoffs they also miss out on the revenue generated by the extra games.
I know that the home record has been somewhat of a hot topic and I won't argue that as a fan the home record was impressive. That being said however, I like several others have already pointed out seen many games where the team was down 2 or 3 goals and looked up at the clock in the third period and seen (insert however much time you wish here) and seemingly said "Oh crap we better start playing". Were the comebacks exciting... ... sure, how fun though would it have been to just flat out destroy some teams had that intensity been there the whole game. Given the success of the home record we know all to well the woes of the road record and the thoughts that go along with it.
Ultimately for me I do not wish for anyone to lose their job but at the same time coaches know full well the implications of success or the lack thereof in this type of business. The organization must decide if the current situation is acceptable or if expectations should be set higher. Some coaches can only do so much. It doesn't mean they are a bad coach it just means they have limitations of some sort or at certain levels. Some will argue this point but look at Chuck in the AHL, he hasn't exactly been lighting up that league like he did here. That does not mean he is not a good coach but he is limited by what Florida gives him to work with, here he had a little more flexibility and he was a master at that. I don't think Coach Skalde has any different limitations on him than Chuck did, he just does not seem to be as good at adapting to the constant change and motivating the players to commit to 60 minutes of hockey. |
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Apocalypse Sticks
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Posted - 04/01/2012 : 11:20:03 AM
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Last season we heard the excuse that Skalde was crippled by the Weber era and he was hindered by a late hire. That team made the playoffs. This season he had as much control as an ECHL coach can have and for the first time in several seasons the Cyclones are out of contention.
...but hey, at least we are not Trenton.
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Catch22
(Been Here Awhile)
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Posted - 04/01/2012 : 11:30:30 AM
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The comebacks and heroics, while demonstrating "heart" and an unwillingness to give up also demostrate the talent to score the goals and tighten up on defense.
As noted, had the team displayed that talent more often and for longer periods the season wouldn't be over.
That's on the coach kids. Plain and simple.
When you hear of season ticket holders (like me) that are struggling with being motivated to do it again next year it has less to do with not making the playoffs and more to do with sitting through more periods of lackluster effort and frustration. Yes, the comebacks are exciting, but watching them skate around in molasses and build the deficits are no fun at all.
And I personally don't think it's an unreasonable expectation to reach the playoffs every year in a league where damned near everybody makes the playoffs.
Does anybody know if Stork bought a house down south?
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Donnie Hockey
(Loves To Post!)
USA
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Posted - 04/01/2012 : 12:08:44 PM
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The Cyclones didn't make the playoffs but look at the bright side: The Cyclones brand is the healthiest it has been since 1995-96. No longer do you have to spend every spring wondering if the team is going to be back in the fall.
The ECHL has become a lot better over the past five years. The difference between the top teams and the rest of the pack is no more than one or two players. That wasn't the case when the Cyclones won the Kelly Cup in 2008. If Milwaukee and San Antonio have injuries and callups, that's going to impact the Cyclones roster. There is not much Jarrod Skalde -- or anyone that would be behind the Cyclones bench -- can do about that. ECHL coaches also have to play certain guys that have been assigned to them by the parent organizations. It's the reality of life in the minor leagues.
As as fan you might not like watching a goalie or other players that struggle and are inconsistent, but if they're on an NHL contract the parent club has made an investment in them, and those players that are on their first NHL contract are going to play. Coaches in the ECHL and AHL can't get rid of them.
While everyone wants to win, the ECHL and AHL are also developmental leagues and development sometimes comes at the price of winning.
Have a great summer and be ready to root for your Cyclones in the fall. |
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cMan2KellyCup
(Been Here Awhile)
USA
540 Posts |
Posted - 04/01/2012 : 1:40:25 PM
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I wrote this acknowledging that I was a little angry last night, so I thought I should clarify my causes here.
For the record, as part of my job I spent the season globetrotting, but I always had my laptop ready for games, and watched them all. I did notice alot of great things too all season, and I do applaud our comeback efforts in games. But what I failed to see was passion in games. What I failed to see was Jarrod's ability to motivate. What I failed to see was any sign of NHL level ability in our goaltenders, the amount previous staffs were able to get out of such names as Dejardins, Smith, Mayer, etc. and not just Chuck's boys... does the name Alex Westlund ring a bell? (the latter might not have been NHL ready, but hes doing quite well in Austria). And overall I failed to see a lack of discipline and hunger.
Last night was a great example. We fired off 52 shots against Chicago and still had to come back because half of those shots were half-assed. Chuck's boys would have had 10 goals with those 52. We would have bullied Chicago last night. And yes I always talk about Chuck Weber, but I dare someone to tell me they do not set Chuck Weber as the bar for what a great Cyclones coach should be. It's hard to not talk about him when hes responsible for every last one of the banners that drape down under our section every night.
As far as the development goes, yes what happens in Milwaukee and San Antonio directly affect Cincinnati. Yes, I see that. But, the coach that is on the bench is solely responsible for the development and readiness of that player so he can be successful in the AHL and in time the NHL. If you have the same players on an ECHL roster for three or four years, something tells me you are not doing a good job getting them ready (I see Barrett Eghotz as an exception to that rule. I could tell he wanted to be here to help us). A player's ECHL career averages a year and a half TOPS, and then on to the AHL. At least that's the pattern I have noticed.
Jarrod Skalde has failed in every single category mentioned. Maybe this is just the side of me passionate about a team he has rooted for since they first began playing. But this is the side of me that has determined that he has failed to live up to the expectations set upon him. The Cyclones management really needs to look at themselves in the mirror and find out if it is really worth it to keep Jarrod on. I appreciate their loyalty to him throughout the season. But the fans of Cincinnati crave a winning hockey team on the ice, and their loyalties should be to them. The formula has worked in the past. We can recover from this season. But after we go from Kelly Cup Champions in 2010, to 7th seeded washouts in 2011, to completely out of the playoffs in two seasons, I just feel that Jarrod Skalde is no longer a good fit to be this team's head coach. I am confident management will do the right thing. This is just my two cents.
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AMERICAN/EASTERN CONFERENCE CHAMPIONS- 2008, 2010, 2014
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Donnie Hockey
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Posted - 04/01/2012 : 2:32:54 PM
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Originally posted by cMan2KellyCup
But the fans of Cincinnati crave a winning hockey team on the ice, and their loyalties should be to them.
And how many fans of Cincinnati do you think crave a winning team on the ice: 250? 500? Certainly not enough for team management to feel pressured into making a coaching change.
Chuck Weber did a good job here, but he hasn't blown people away with his work in the AHL. His name doesn't come up as a rising star in the coaching ranks like former IHL Cyclones defenseman Dallas Eakins, the head coach of the Toronto Marlies.
Give Moe Mantha the team Weber had in 2007-08 and he might have won a Kelly Cup, too.
It wouldn't matter who the coach was, they were going to have to play the goalie everyone seems to be down on. Nashville sent him here to play. The hands of an ECHL coach are tied. They have to play the horses they're given by the parent club. Some of the horses turn out to be dogs. But they still have to play them.
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Posted - 04/01/2012 : 3:03:29 PM
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I love this "motivated" CRAP. Teams which come back again and again don't suffer from lack of motivation.
The same posters have always played these non existent cards. "They didn't try hard enough" or "They didn't start playing until the third period". The comebacks should be de facto evidence of "good effort" and good adjustments-which is generally a coaching deal.
If you want to call out "lack of effort", look no further than Scott Reynolds and Ryan Del Monte from last year. Those guys floated ungodly amounts of the time. I'd like anyone who claims "lack of effort" to point toward specific players and back their claim up. Further, if it's all about the result (as it appears to be for those posting this way), then the end result should be all that matters to you. The team won 76% of all possible points in the games which most of the people on this board watched. If anyone thinks that's a result of "lack of effort", then you have hopelessly unrealistic criterion in determining what constitutes acceptable "try" levels.
The organization will make their decision without giving much, if any, consideration of a few people threatening not to renew season tickets. They'll give zero to those who are "globetrotting" during the season Those thinking that they have any meaningful influence over this decision have almost zero leverage over it. If a few major sponsors would be upset, then that might make a difference. Given that attendance increased again, I doubt that sponsor discontent would be an issue.
@dbc. I about fell out my chair at the "5 years later" remarks.
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Posted - 04/01/2012 : 3:08:47 PM
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Skalde's fate will rest upon management factoring many criterion. I would think that they would include (but not be limited to):
1) The impact of poor goaltending. Goaltending was outside of Skalde's control. Does management believe that better goaltending would have given the Cyclones a few more points this season? 4 more points would have moved the Cyclones up 4 places in the standings and a 5th or 6th seed in the playoffs.
2) The abysmal road record. Skalde had the 6th best road record in the league his first season and the worst this season. Should this season's record on the road be regarded as a factor of youth, a statistical fluke or was Skalde unable to make adjustments which he reasonably should have been able to make?
3) Affiliate Relations. Is Skalde viewed favorably or not for his role in player development? Chuck Weber probably has some say with management on this matter.
4)Recruiting Skills. Is management happy with the players Skalde has recruited to play for him?
5) Personal relationship with Management. As with any organization/job, this is a key component in whether an employer lets an individual go or keeps him if job performance is considered questionable. Reduced to its most basic level, how much do the parties like one another?
6) Ability to respond and grow from experience. Does management believe that Skalde can improve upon his deficiencies (whatever THEY believe that they are)?
7) Possible Replacements. Replacing a coaching staff of a team which was reasonably competitive isn't any easy task. Hiring for AHL and NHL is much easier as the candidates have established track records (save for some ex player hirings). Does the organization roll the dice with an unknown or a mediocre candidate (there is little chance that someone who has been highly successful at AA or above level will be available) or is Skalde a better risk than the pool of possible replacements?
Or none of the above It's at will employment and the color of Skalde's suits could make for the reason. He may already be rehired for all I know.
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cloneinator
(Been Here Awhile)
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Posted - 04/01/2012 : 3:17:54 PM
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The organization will make their decision without giving consideration of a few people threatening not to renew season tickets. Those thinking that they have any influence over this decision have zero leverage over it. If a few major sponsors would be upset, then that might make a difference. Given that attendance increased again, I doubt that sponsor discontent would be an issue.
Totally agree. As much as people would like to think as season ticket holders they have more say than anyone else, I wouldn't hold my breath. I only do a twelve game package, and renewing has to do with economics more than anything (I live north of Lebanon so it's 30+ miles one way). Don't get me wrong, they want their season ticket holders and want them happy, but at the end of the day it's what Ray Harris and Kristen Ropp think is best as to what will be done.
With the help of the organization, my group nights have increased from averaging 30 or 40 the first year to about 100 this year, which isn't bad doing three of them a season. And probably 80% of those who go are there for a good time and had no idea the team was fighting for a playoff spot. All they know is they had a great time.
Relax folks. Whats gonna happen, is gonna happen... |
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tamg4393
(The Next Level!)
USA
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Posted - 04/01/2012 : 7:21:37 PM
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keeper29
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Posted - 04/01/2012 : 10:21:41 PM
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| I hear a change is come but ill wait for the beans to be spilled!!!! |
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