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 Posted - 04/13/2012 : 4:54:50 PM
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The American Hockey League announced today that left wing Cory Conacher of the Norfolk Admirals has been named the winner of the Les Cunningham Award as the AHL’s most valuable player for the 2011-12
It was easy to tell that this kid had tons of talent when he was here.
But AHL MVP in the next season was a little beyond what I thought. LOL
Desharnais had 78 points in 60 games in his best AHL season. Conacher has 75 points in 72 games. Like DD, he's small-listed at 5'8" 180 lbs.
His numbers will get him very good look in Tampa next season. He's signed for next season on a 2 year deal. $70,000 AHL/$925,000 NHL.
The Cyclones ECHL team is now tied in AHL MVP production with the defunct AHL Mighty Ducks. Former Duck Keith Aucoin was AHL MVP in 2009-10 with the Hershey Bears. Billy Inglis of the Cincinnati Swords was the AHL MVP in 1972-3. Don Biggs (IHL Cyclones) was AHL MVP in 1992-3 with the Binghampton Rangers.
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Posted - 04/13/2012 : 8:01:38 PM
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Aucoin would have won the AHL MVP award this year if he had spent the full season in Hershey. He was getting ice time in key situations for Washington in Game 1 of the Caps series versus Boston.
Conacher was consistently good all year, never going more than two games without a point. But with 75 points in 72 games, he wasn't one of those guys that would get seven points in three games and then do nothing for three or four contests. |
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Posted - 04/13/2012 : 10:57:29 PM
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Aucoin would have won the AHL MVP award this year if he had spent the full season in Hershey. He was getting ice time in key situations for Washington in Game 1 of the Caps series versus Boston.
Conacher was consistently good all year, never going more than two games without a point. But with 75 points in 72 games, he wasn't one of those guys that would get seven points in three games and then do nothing for three or four contests.
Aucoin is a fill-in NHLer. He's 33 and his ship has sailed as far as his NHL career goes-perhaps not fairly. In any case, he's no Desharnais as an NHLer. In 102 NHL games Aucoin has 37 points. This season he had 11 points in 28 games. DD had 60 points in 81 games.
Conacher is a goal scorer-35 goals in 72 games this year. He stands a chance of starting next year in Tampa on their second line. He's got far more NHL upside than Aucoin.
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Posted - 04/13/2012 : 11:32:08 PM
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I didn't say Aucoin had NHL upside, Joe. Didn't make any comparison to your boy, either. I just said he was given ice time in key situations in Game 1 for the Caps.
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Posted - 04/14/2012 : 04:28:08 AM
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I didn't say Aucoin had NHL upside, Joe. Didn't make any comparison to your boy, either. I just said he was given ice time in key situations in Game 1 for the Caps.
You are free to comment up all others' comments. Others may not comment upon yours. I forgot the rules. My deepest apologies.
Next season in the NHL, the top 3 scoring former Cyclones will outscore the top 3 scoring ex Ducks. Cole, Desharnais, and Conacher will out produce Getzlaf, Kunitz and Parenteau. |
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Posted - 04/14/2012 : 09:56:29 AM
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Next season in the NHL, the top 3 scoring former Cyclones will outscore the top 3 scoring ex Ducks. Cole, Desharnais, and Conacher will out produce Getzlaf, Kunitz and Parenteau.
Want to bet 2013-14 Cyclones full-season tickets on that, Joe?
And just for kicks, a cup of that ice cream you have at every game says Brent has more points than Conacher by Christmas 2012. Or if Brent scares you, I am willing to replace him with O'Brien.
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Posted - 04/14/2012 : 11:03:07 AM
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Originally posted by ratsncats
Next season in the NHL, the top 3 scoring former Cyclones will outscore the top 3 scoring ex Ducks. Cole, Desharnais, and Conacher will out produce Getzlaf, Kunitz and Parenteau.
Want to bet 2013-14 Cyclones full-season tickets on that, Joe?
And just for kicks, a cup of that ice cream you have at every game says Brent has more points than Conacher by Christmas 2012. Or if Brent scares you, I am willing to replace him with O'Brien.
Donny Boy,
I only bet larger amounts with a reasonable chance of receiving my winnings. So, I'll pass on this one as a matter of policy. I'd probably want some good odds as well given that the bet would be dependent upon Conacher's call up date-which can't be reasonably determined if he doesn't make the opening day roster.
An even odds bet which would be reasonable would be Cole/Desharnais vs. Parenteau/Kunitz. Kunitz production is about 50% higher than it would be if he didn't have Malkin or Crosby on the same team. Warren Young scored 40 goals and had 72 points as a wing with Mario Lemieux 22 was his next best season. Dave Lumley had 32 goals on a line with Gretzky and averaged 10 every other year of his career.
Parenteau-if he signs outside the Islanders-won't be the beneficiary of Taveres. He's a passenger on that line.
Cole and Desharnais play on the same line. They benefit from each other-not from superior players like those two Duckies do. (Did they every sell duckie doo at the Ducks gift shop ?) Even if they are split up, they'll still produce. These two will probably produce roughly 120-130 points between them again next season. Kunitz and Taveres it's hard to tell given that their production is completely dependent upon others. If Parenteau signs outside the NYI, it's doubtful he'll play on the first line of his new team.
Bets like this one are silly. Injuries can impact the results very easily, so the best bet would be upon a points per game average for each player (minimum 40 games projected to 82 games-if one player doesn't play 40 games due to injury then bet is cancelled). Given your disdain for numbers, it might be too difficult to explain the parameters of the bet. But, if you are willing to bet (and understand this), I've got a proposition.
Given my recent commitment to not looking like the second coming of Orca the killer Whale, I'll bet a 1986 Detroit Tigers yearbook with Sparky Anderson on the cover for TWO Ducks media guides-years of my choosing.
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Posted - 04/14/2012 : 1:24:40 PM
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Given my recent commitment to not looking like the second coming of Orca the killer Whale, I'll bet a 1986 Detroit Tigers yearbook with Sparky Anderson on the cover for TWO Ducks media guides-years of my choosing.
Can't that bet. Don't have any Ducks media guides in my possession for you to choose from. My hockey game programs and media guides collection were donated to Rumpke. The original game sheets from every Cyclones game from 1990-91 through 1995-96 would have been a nice item to put up, too, had they not met the shredder. I might still have a Ducks game puck, if that appeals to you.
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Posted - 04/14/2012 : 4:01:56 PM
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Given my recent commitment to not looking like the second coming of Orca the killer Whale, I'll bet a 1986 Detroit Tigers yearbook with Sparky Anderson on the cover for TWO Ducks media guides-years of my choosing.
Can't that bet. Don't have any Ducks media guides in my possession for you to choose from. My hockey game programs and media guides collection were donated to Rumpke. The original game sheets from every Cyclones game from 1990-91 through 1995-96 would have been a nice item to put up, too, had they not met the shredder. I might still have a Ducks game puck, if that appeals to you.
Why on earth wouldn't you save some of those? You did a good job on them. But no worries. I've got a few of them. They'll cost you though
Sure. Sparky yearbook for a puck will work.
Here's the only fair way to do it: Rate each player-assuming they play 40 games-on points per game. For example: Kunitz and Parenteau have a combined 110 points in 150 combined games played. 110 points/150 games=.733ppg. Desharnais/Cole have a combined 115 points/ 160 games=.719ppg. You'd win. These guys have been pretty durable so I'd think that they'd each get in the minimum 40 games.
Do you understand and agree to the terms. The whole world is watching.
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Posted - 04/14/2012 : 7:17:31 PM
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I will take that action: Kunitz & Parenteau vs. Desharnais & Cole.
Some great question marks for both of us as we make this bet. Where will Parenteau play? With a new GM and coaching staff in Montreal, will Desharnais and Cole play on the same line, or even the same team?
I had more than 3,000 game programs and media guides from teams throughout pro hockey including complete media guide sets from every NHL team from 1981-82 through 2006-07. I never looked at them so they were just taking up space. Kept the memories though. They are what I value from my hockey days. |
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Posted - 04/15/2012 : 04:15:16 AM
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I will take that action: Kunitz & Parenteau vs. Desharnais & Cole.
Some great question marks for both of us as we make this bet. Where will Parenteau play? With a new GM and coaching staff in Montreal, will Desharnais and Cole play on the same line, or even the same team?
I haven't any insight to offer regarding Patenteau's fate.
I can't imagine Desharnais or Cole being traded. Desharnais is good, cheap and French. Cole is a quality leader who has blazing speed, a great work ethic and produced 35 goals. While the Canadiens will draft a forward who might be able to produce right away, they remain thin beyond this new pick, Plekanec and DD's line. I doubt proven scoring will be traded away by a new GM. The line could easily be broken up if Plekanec doesn't produce with his linemates. Pacioretty would likely be the one to stay with DD and Cole moved to Plekanec.
The Canadiens were really much better than their record. Their goals differential net of SO and empty net goals was -2. They probably could run out the same roster and compete for a lower playoff berth. |
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Posted - 04/15/2012 : 11:26:02 AM
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No matter who the GM is, Montreal is going to make an effort to acquire someone bigger, faster, stronger to center the first line and the player they're going to go after would make the Canadiens fans very happy. The player would also be super excited about the chance to wear a Canadiens sweater.
Don't be surprised if Price is headed the other way if a deal between the teams happens. Plekanec and Subban could also be involved.
Unless you have the first or second pick, it is rare anymore for teams to draft someone that can step in and play right away at age 18 or 19. |
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Posted - 04/15/2012 : 4:15:33 PM
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No matter who the GM is, Montreal is going to make an effort to acquire someone bigger, faster, stronger to center the first line and the player they're going to go after would make the Canadiens fans very happy. The player would also be super excited about the chance to wear a Canadiens sweater.
Don't be surprised if Price is headed the other way if a deal between the teams happens. Plekanec and Subban could also be involved.
Unless you have the first or second pick, it is rare anymore for teams to draft someone that can step in and play right away at age 18 or 19.
No doubt the Candiens would like to add size at center. Both DD and Plekanec are small.
Trading Price and Subban makes zero sense. Both are key components for the Canadiens. They are young and good. They both are just RFAs this season so they can be had for a number of years relatively cheaply. Trading either of both is unlikely.
If a top center-please don't say Getzlaf-is involved in a trade, the Plekanec would almost have to be a part of the transaction.
The production level of DD/Pacioretty/Cole was outstanding. Pacioretty has called DD "the best player he's ever played with" on numberous occasions and Cole has been glowing in his praise as well. While any GM on any team is always on the lookout to improve his roster, improving on the production of the Habs first line won't be easy to do. Very few lines in the NHL produced on the level which the Desharnais line produced over the last half of the season. With DD and Pacioretty so young and legitimate candidates to improve, I don't think that the new GM would feel any desperation to change things wrt to the first line. Cole scored a career high in goals and Pacioretty had a break out year and could end up being one of the best power forwards in the game. Desharnais' style of play-pass first, second and third-complements these guys very well. |
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Posted - 04/15/2012 : 7:47:31 PM
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Getzlaf isn't the center. He's one of the best players in the world so if Anaheim were to put him on the market there would be 29 teams with an interest in adding him to their lineup.
There are three young goalies that are going to be available this summer that would be the No. 1 on most teams the Canadiens could acquire to replace Price. He's good but so are the other three so they can and would be able to replace him.
Montreal wouldn't include Price along with Subban or Plekanec in the deal. If they won't deal Price then one of the other two would have to be part of the deal. Most likely Plekanec along with another player. Desharnais could also be part of this deal if it becomes two-for-three.
The team I am talking about is definitely going to make a deal for a goalie. If they can't get a deal done with Montreal for Price, then they'll be talking to Los Angeles, Vancouver and Nashville.
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Posted - 04/15/2012 : 10:38:31 PM
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Getzlaf isn't the center. He's one of the best players in the world so if Anaheim were to put him on the market there would be 29 teams with an interest in adding him to their lineup.
There are three young goalies that are going to be available this summer that would be the No. 1 on most teams the Canadiens could acquire to replace Price. He's good but so are the other three so they can and would be able to replace him.
Montreal wouldn't include Price along with Subban or Plekanec in the deal. If they won't deal Price then one of the other two would have to be part of the deal. Most likely Plekanec along with another player. Desharnais could also be part of this deal if it becomes two-for-three.
The team I am talking about is definitely going to make a deal for a goalie. If they can't get a deal done with Montreal for Price, then they'll be talking to Los Angeles, Vancouver and Nashville.
No GM in Montreal now so I don't see anything even being in a preliminary state.
Getzlaf is not one of the best players in the world. Desharnais outscored him by 3 points. Malkin had almost double his points (109 to 57). Now that's an elite player. |
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Posted - 04/15/2012 : 11:29:23 PM
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You wouldn't find one NHL GM, assistant-GM, scout, coach that would take Desharnais over Getzlaf. Not one, Joe.
If Anaheim offered Getzlaf to Montreal for Desharnais, the Canadiens would do it in a heartbeat. |
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