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danc
(The Next Level!)

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Posted - 07/11/2013 :  03:43:23 AM  Show Profile
Who do you guys want?

I'll go first.

Guys I don't want:

Chuck Weber-been here done it. Can't see him wanting to do it again.

Dean Stork-think his style wears on teams and they are mentally exhaused come the playoffs.

Don Biggs-no experience and out of the loop too long.

Barrett Eghoetz-out of hockey for two years plus no experience.

Guys I think who should be considered:

Matt McDonald-like what he did with the defense, but am concerned about relative lack of AHL and above playing experience and only having one year as an assistant.

Al Sims-forced into retirement this past season. Won 5 Championships in Fort Wayne including a AAA IHL Championship and a AA CHL Championship. Former head coach of NHL San Jose Sharks. Teammate of Bobby Orr and Phil Esposito. Was scapegoat for poor season in Fort Wayne this season. Was not the GM and had many players on roster who weren't ECHL caliber due to GM liking to keep players with past histories in Fort Wayne.

Any number of AHL assistant coaches who would like to land a head coaching position. Don't know of any specifically, but this profile would be a winner for a new Cyclones head coach.

Any up and coming ECHL assistant with more experience than MaDonald or a stellar CHL or SPHL head coach. A guy like Dwayne Zinger might fit this description, but I don't know enough about him to make a call on this.

Edited by - danc on 07/11/2013 03:51:55 AM

Donnie Hockey
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Posted - 07/11/2013 :  08:27:32 AM  Show Profile  Visit Donnie Hockey's Homepage
It's an attractive job, so the resumes are pouring in at USBA. The Cyclones are 2-for-2 in hiring head coaches since the team returned to the ice. Here's betting they go 3-for-3.

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cMan2KellyCup
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Posted - 07/11/2013 :  12:13:58 PM  Show Profile  Send cMan2KellyCup an AOL message
I agree with all four no's... Chuck and Dean are Cyclones royalty as it stands, and they had their fun and we did too (kisses his replica Kelly Cup ring)...

Eghotz has zero coaching experience and I couldnt trust him until he got some.

Biggs was a better player and when he was an assistant he never really got any input until he came back to play. Gregg DeVitto, the old PR guy, told me he was coaching high school in Florida or something...

I am not really in tune with MacDonald because of his one season of experience, but I feel better about his knowledge of the current roster...

People I would like to see have a chance

I like the idea of Al Sims because of his way to win titles in Fort Wayne... but last year was the first year that he truly had to work with an NHL team, even though they have had NHL affiliation in his years, and it burned him. Plus the IHL and CHL were one in the same, and not really properly recognized in pro circles... Still, his history SHOULD help him out with getting a job in Cincy...

You know who I would LOVE to see come back? The winningest coach in Cyclones history... a man who knows what Cincinnati expects and has the background and knowledge to keep us all happy.... Ron Smith... we were Triple-A in his era and we had affiliations with Florida and Carolina, and he had 40-win seasons left and right while juggling his rosters with NHL teams who were, for the most part, sub-par... The only flaw in my idea is that he hasn't been seen in hockey since the AHL snubbed us 12 years ago... can you imagine, though, if they accepted the Cyclones and we had at least a few years of direct rivalry with the Mighty Ducks? Blood on the streets, I tells ya!

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Reggie Dunlop
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Posted - 07/11/2013 :  1:50:08 PM  Show Profile
I like the idea of Al Sims, as well as Terry Ruskowski.

Another guy who might get a legitimate sniff is Mike Craigen of the Knoxville Ice Bear in the SPHL. He has a very solid record and is smart and articulate. He also already has a working relationship with the Cyclone, loaning players to the team regularly. It might be a natural next step for a guy like him.
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cMan2KellyCup
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Posted - 07/11/2013 :  3:20:38 PM  Show Profile  Send cMan2KellyCup an AOL message
I am well aware of the work of Mike Craigen, he turned Knoxville into a powerhouse in the Southern Pro, and hes dealt with NHL teams... I have seen the Ice Bears play and he has always has them in the game and tough and quick... he would be a perfect fit, probably a better one than Sims or Ruskowski

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Donnie Hockey
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Posted - 07/11/2013 :  10:22:45 PM  Show Profile  Visit Donnie Hockey's Homepage
quote:
Originally posted by cMan2KellyCup
You know who I would LOVE to see come back? The winningest coach in Cyclones history... a man who knows what Cincinnati expects and has the background and knowledge to keep us all happy.... Ron Smith... we were Triple-A in his era and we had affiliations with Florida and Carolina, and he had 40-win seasons left and right while juggling his rosters with NHL teams who were, for the most part, sub-par... The only flaw in my idea is that he hasn't been seen in hockey since the AHL snubbed us 12 years ago... can you imagine, though, if they accepted the Cyclones and we had at least a few years of direct rivalry with the Mighty Ducks? Blood on the streets, I tells ya!



After the IHL Cyclones folded, Ron Smith moved on to the AHL where he coached Carolina's AHL team for a few years in Lowell. He retired from coaching and became a pro scout for Carolina until his retirement a couple years ago.

The Cyclones, Detroit Vipers and Orlando Solar Bears played a big part in the IHL folding after the 2000-01 season. Each team had informed the league they were not going to be able to continue, which led to the six healthy IHL teams opening up discussions with the AHL, led by Manitoba's Mark Chipman. I know Cyclones fans don't want to hear and/or believe this, but it is in fact the reality of the situation.

The Cyclones were in serious financial trouble during their final years of operation in the IHL. They were a financial burden on the arena. As you may recall, Doug Kirchhofer had to declare bankruptcy after going $41 million in debt.

The Cyclones financial problems during their IHL years was not the fault of the Gardens or Ducks. It was the cost of doing business in the IHL which rose dramatically from the time the Cyclones joined the league in 1992-93 within their first three years in the league. Everything but Salt Lake, San Diego, Phoenix and Kansas City were one day bus trips when they first joined the IHL. By 1995-96, the team was flying to places like Orlando, Los Angeles, San Francisco, Utah and Minnesota with multiple night hotel stays and paying 4-5 players six-figure contracts and others $75,000 to $90,000. The highest paid player in 1992-93 when they joined the IHL was $29,000 (Jeff Madill).

The Cyclones weren't snubbed by the AHL. Had the Ducks never come along they still wouldn't have become members of the AHL because they weren't solid enough financially.

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Edited by - Donnie Hockey on 07/11/2013 10:23:47 PM
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Donnie Hockey
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Posted - 07/11/2013 :  10:44:44 PM  Show Profile  Visit Donnie Hockey's Homepage
I'd like to see someone with coaching experience at the Triple-A and Double-A levels in minor pro hockey as well as major junior with NHL experience as a player.

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cMan2KellyCup
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Posted - 07/11/2013 :  11:50:33 PM  Show Profile  Send cMan2KellyCup an AOL message
Donnie, I did not know that because Smith's ventures in the AHL never really crossed my desk while I was in college, and I didnt start giving a rats ass about the AHL OR the Ducks until the Cyclones took their break. Kinda makes me feel like garbage a little, which you do a lot to me, albeit most of it is unintentional... but nonetheless thanks for refreshing my memory, Encyclopedia Puck-tania... And please consider the fact that sometimes I can be sarcastic on these boards... see my blood on the streets comment and the Clones-Ducks comment for good examples.

I happen to agree with your summary on the events that put us in the ECHL... Mr. Kirchofer always came around schools and offered up free tickets to kids and that, while I was in school anyways, is how I was able to make it to games. He stopped doing that and I wondered why. About a year later I saw a story on the news when the Solar Bears beat us in the East Semis in the last season, there was another story that claimed the arena was going dead because he couldn't pull decent gate, but in my heart of hearts I expected IHL hockey in Cincinnati in 2001-2 for my senior year of high school... it stunned me at first that we were heading back to the ECHL but I didnt care in the end as long as there was hockey.

I blame the death of the IHL Cyclones on a lot of things... #1 the traffic headaches that occured when they started wedging in the ballpark (personally I was kinda pulling for the Broadway site myself). The nice walkway was gone and replaced by the threat that you could get run over and killed at any time, which around the end of 2000 was noticeable at an arena they never should have moved to in the first place, while the Ducks were stealing all our fans with free parking and cheaper tickets at the Gardens.

#2 factor in the fact that in my opinion the IHL should never have migrated west of the Mississippi. Commissioner Doug Moss placed the league in the west and pretty much a triple round robin format and expected minor league teams to travel from as far northeast as Quebec City to places like Long Beach, San Diego, Denver, San Francisco, Las Vegas, etc. That drowned payroll and drowned teams in debt quick, and Moss didnt do anything about it, so in ways I blame IHL management for screwing themselves. Cincinnati, Detroit and Orlando has bad ownership and no real marketing plan to keep themselves in the black either, and the cross country trips on a constant basis tied into their debt at the end.

The AHL and ECHL have been smarter since then about this. Both have made cross country trips nearly obsolete (East still has to play West in the final), the AHL is trying to get the Abbotsford team out of there so that San Antonio is their westernmost team, and the ECHL frowns upon scheduling inter-conference games, sans the necessity to play them in the finals. Plus it has allowed teams like the Cyclones to stay in the black, which made coming back from dormancy an easy decision when the AHL team failed at the Gardens... again, an arena we should have never left.


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cMan2KellyCup
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Posted - 07/11/2013 :  11:54:20 PM  Show Profile  Send cMan2KellyCup an AOL message
Now can we please get back to the topic of this thread... as in who should be our new head coach???!?!?!

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dbc
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Posted - 07/12/2013 :  3:52:18 PM  Show Profile
judging by the criticisms of Skalde and his coaching that have filled this site for the past three years, there should be several excellent candidates among us who should send their resumes to the front office.

My guess though is that it will be someone who meets the requirements of the Nashville and Florida organizations rather than someone like Sims or Ruskowski. I would hope that they would have some NHL or extensive AHL playing experience because I think it is as important to have someone able to teach these kids what pro hockey is between the ears and not just x's and o's which are the same x's and o's these kids have been taught for years. Great example is Boston getting rid of the number two draft pick from three years ago Tyler Seguin because the coach and GM decided he hadn't learned what pro hockey was really about and what it took to compete consistently.
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Billy Mays
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Posted - 07/15/2013 :  6:07:30 PM  Show Profile
quote:
Originally posted by dbc

judging by the criticisms of Skalde and his coaching that have filled this site for the past three years, there should be several excellent candidates among us who should send their resumes to the front office.

My guess though is that it will be someone who meets the requirements of the Nashville and Florida organizations rather than someone like Sims or Ruskowski. I would hope that they would have some NHL or extensive AHL playing experience because I think it is as important to have someone able to teach these kids what pro hockey is between the ears and not just x's and o's which are the same x's and o's these kids have been taught for years. Great example is Boston getting rid of the number two draft pick from three years ago Tyler Seguin because the coach and GM decided he hadn't learned what pro hockey was really about and what it took to compete consistently.



Haha, I love it. You are right all we heard on here is the constant bashing of Skalde & now it seems that was changed from Skalde bashing to Skalde praise. Those "experts" should put their hat in the ring.
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Donnie Hockey
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Posted - 07/15/2013 :  8:42:53 PM  Show Profile  Visit Donnie Hockey's Homepage
I would have liked to have seen Rich Kromm get the job, but he was named today as the new head coach in Stockton.

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danc
(The Next Level!)

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Posted - 07/15/2013 :  10:27:03 PM  Show Profile
I'm glad Kromm wasn't signed here. I doubt he was even a candidate.

His last 8 teams haven't gone past round 1 of the playoffs. In those 8 years 4 of his teams didn't even qualify for them.
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cMan2KellyCup
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Posted - 07/16/2013 :  09:56:34 AM  Show Profile  Send cMan2KellyCup an AOL message
Rich Kromm??? That guy is a joke! I mean if you can't hack it in the JUNIORS, why should we give you a job in the pros? Stockton is screwed next year!

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cMan2KellyCup
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Posted - 07/16/2013 :  10:03:14 AM  Show Profile  Send cMan2KellyCup an AOL message
quote:
Originally posted by Billy Mays

Haha, I love it. You are right all we heard on here is the constant bashing of Skalde & now it seems that was changed from Skalde bashing to Skalde praise. Those "experts" should put their hat in the ring.



We are trying to determine the new head coach in here rather than bash the old one... I think we all agree that a bunch of us set the bar too high after winning two cups, but this whole Jarrod-bashing thing became a moot point when Skalde bailed for Norfolk.

With that said, let us please get back to our guessing game on who our new coach will be...


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Billy Mays
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Posted - 07/16/2013 :  12:51:49 PM  Show Profile
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Originally posted by cMan2KellyCup

Donnie, I did not know that because Smith's ventures in the AHL never really crossed my desk while I was in college, and I didnt start giving a rats ass about the AHL OR the Ducks until the Cyclones took their break. Kinda makes me feel like garbage a little, which you do a lot to me, albeit most of it is unintentional... but nonetheless thanks for refreshing my memory, Encyclopedia Puck-tania... And please consider the fact that sometimes I can be sarcastic on these boards... see my blood on the streets comment and the Clones-Ducks comment for good examples.

I happen to agree with your summary on the events that put us in the ECHL... Mr. Kirchofer always came around schools and offered up free tickets to kids and that, while I was in school anyways, is how I was able to make it to games. He stopped doing that and I wondered why. About a year later I saw a story on the news when the Solar Bears beat us in the East Semis in the last season, there was another story that claimed the arena was going dead because he couldn't pull decent gate, but in my heart of hearts I expected IHL hockey in Cincinnati in 2001-2 for my senior year of high school... it stunned me at first that we were heading back to the ECHL but I didnt care in the end as long as there was hockey.

I blame the death of the IHL Cyclones on a lot of things... #1 the traffic headaches that occured when they started wedging in the ballpark (personally I was kinda pulling for the Broadway site myself). The nice walkway was gone and replaced by the threat that you could get run over and killed at any time, which around the end of 2000 was noticeable at an arena they never should have moved to in the first place, while the Ducks were stealing all our fans with free parking and cheaper tickets at the Gardens.

#2 factor in the fact that in my opinion the IHL should never have migrated west of the Mississippi. Commissioner Doug Moss placed the league in the west and pretty much a triple round robin format and expected minor league teams to travel from as far northeast as Quebec City to places like Long Beach, San Diego, Denver, San Francisco, Las Vegas, etc. That drowned payroll and drowned teams in debt quick, and Moss didnt do anything about it, so in ways I blame IHL management for screwing themselves. Cincinnati, Detroit and Orlando has bad ownership and no real marketing plan to keep themselves in the black either, and the cross country trips on a constant basis tied into their debt at the end.

The AHL and ECHL have been smarter since then about this. Both have made cross country trips nearly obsolete (East still has to play West in the final), the AHL is trying to get the Abbotsford team out of there so that San Antonio is their westernmost team, and the ECHL frowns upon scheduling inter-conference games, sans the necessity to play them in the finals. Plus it has allowed teams like the Cyclones to stay in the black, which made coming back from dormancy an easy decision when the AHL team failed at the Gardens... again, an arena we should have never left.





Ok can we please get back to the topic of who we think will be the next coach
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