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PsychFan
(Finally Got A Star!)
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 Posted - 12/12/2013 : 11:22:36 PM
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Originally posted by SCUBA
You guys are stressing over forces that you cannot control, what happens....happens, scoring or no scoring, promotions or no promotions. In my little portion of suburbia I cannot stress over minor league franchises. I have no control of who will be around in 2015-2016. Danc, your dislike of the departure of the captain and peudo offensive threats are well noted but again maybe they shouldn't have skipped out of their taxi fare. I suppose it makes for interesting discussion if you enjoy talking about things you have zero contol over then be my guest....again welcome to minor league sports.
I couldn't agree more with this statement! If you look back at danc, he excels at complaining and worrying about things out of his control. But he uses lots of fancy words. He must be smart.
Bottom line, to echo your point, welcome to minor league sports. |
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danc
(The Next Level!)
114 Posts |
Posted - 12/13/2013 : 05:34:29 AM
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Originally posted by SCUBA
You guys are stressing over forces that you cannot control, what happens....happens, scoring or no scoring, promotions or no promotions. In my little portion of suburbia I cannot stress over minor league franchises. I have no control of who will be around in 2015-2016. Danc, your dislike of the departure of the captain and peudo offensive threats are well noted but again maybe they shouldn't have skipped out of their taxi fare. I suppose it makes for interesting discussion if you enjoy talking about things you have zero contol over then be my guest....again welcome to minor league sports.
I suppose if message board conversation were limited to things over which we had control, then this board should be dissolved as none of us have any control over anything which goes on within the Cyclone organization.
No stressing here. It's all been a bonus since the Cyclones return. I really thought that the end of the M. Ducks was the death knell for pro hockey in Cincinnati for a good decade. Happy to be wrong aobut it. |
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danc
(The Next Level!)
114 Posts |
Posted - 12/13/2013 : 05:36:06 AM
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Originally posted by PsychFan
I couldn't agree more with this statement! If you look back at danc, he excels at complaining and worrying about things out of his control. But he uses lots of fancy words. He must be smart.
Bottom line, to echo your point, welcome to minor league sports.
Another worthless post.
But, yes, I am smart. At least relative to you. Which, of course,is not saying much. |
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Billy Mays
(Finally Got A Star!)
71 Posts |
Posted - 12/13/2013 : 11:56:04 AM
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Originally posted by PsychFan
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Originally posted by SCUBA
You guys are stressing over forces that you cannot control, what happens....happens, scoring or no scoring, promotions or no promotions. In my little portion of suburbia I cannot stress over minor league franchises. I have no control of who will be around in 2015-2016. Danc, your dislike of the departure of the captain and peudo offensive threats are well noted but again maybe they shouldn't have skipped out of their taxi fare. I suppose it makes for interesting discussion if you enjoy talking about things you have zero contol over then be my guest....again welcome to minor league sports.
I couldn't agree more with this statement! If you look back at danc, he excels at complaining and worrying about things out of his control. But he uses lots of fancy words. He must be smart.
Bottom line, to echo your point, welcome to minor league sports.
All of you guys are clones...what does all of this entertainment/minor league hockey talk have to do with "Somebody score please"? Get a clue, the fact of all of this talk is this teams PP is abysmal & the team is soft besides MacDonald, period. |
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King Of The Monkeys
(Finally Got A Star!)
70 Posts |
Posted - 12/13/2013 : 1:54:06 PM
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I don't doubt what most of you say about the average fan at a Clones game. However, it makes me feel lucky to sit where we do. We are surrounded by knowledgeable hockey fans that have familiarity with the players and team history. Also, there are some direct connections to the team and to USBA which makes for interesting insights into the non-public side of business. Thank goodness for season ticket holders!
If you feel the constant frustration of the conduct of the fans around you I suggest you try a different location and see if you can find a pocket of fans that think like you do.
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bags
(Person With Nothing Better To Do!)
USA
2224 Posts |
Posted - 12/13/2013 : 4:18:56 PM
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Your right we did drift way off topic. I don't see this team getting
any better as long as players and lines are constantly moving. With
two affiliations, we can't hardly keep one line together long enough
to play together. Coaching staff needs to find two defensemen and
three forwards and make one set line. These five will be the constant
each game and their play should improve. They may not be your best
five, but choose the five mostly likely to stay here. |
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dbc
(Been Here Awhile)
865 Posts |
Posted - 12/13/2013 : 11:06:21 PM
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| Thats a new concept in hockey==putting five players together to play all the time. Never heard of it. Can you give me an example of when a line and a defensive pairing have been teamed together into one unit? |
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bags
(Person With Nothing Better To Do!)
USA
2224 Posts |
Posted - 12/14/2013 : 07:40:52 AM
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So it works so much better to keep putting all the names in a helmet
and blindly drawing names for a line ? All I'm saying is with the constant
shuffle of players a set line would be an asset. Maybe the reason the power
play is not working as well as it should is players have to find their
teammates instead of sensing where they should be. As for your example,
this isn't even a normal ECHL season as far as the roster goes. Too much
roster moves have turned the team to chaos. |
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elvis77
(Loves To Post!)
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Posted - 12/14/2013 : 09:18:28 AM
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I think what dbc is getting at is that d pairs aren't always matched with the forward lines. The forward lines are typically set, as are the d pairs; they aren't thrown out there all willy-nilly. Injuries and situations, power(less) plays for example often get special line combinations.
If you show up early and watch warm-ups you'll see what the forward lines and d pairs are when the team does the line rushes. Simon usually keeps them intact unless the game isn't going well then he'll mix them up.
Part of the issue is, with so many affiliated players and the associated pressure to play them, has the game roster shuffling from game to game. |
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danc
(The Next Level!)
114 Posts |
Posted - 12/14/2013 : 3:06:01 PM
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In the ECHL, it would theoretically be easier to pair up forwards and defensemen as the usual mix of players is 10 forwards + 6 defensemen with one of the forwards being an "extra". Still PP and PK alone would probably negate any effort by a coaching staff to make a straight match up of this type work effectively.
In the NHL with the general mix of dressed players being 12 forwards and 6 defensemen, it couldn't work. If one ever looks at stats of TOI (time on ice), to defensemen typically log 25 or more minutes per game whereas very few forwards are on the ice 20 minutes or more.
Ice time stats aren't kept in the ECHL to my knowledge. I don't think that there's anywhere near the number of off-ice oficials at an ECHL game present to pull this labor-intensive stat off. I don't think that the AHL keeps this stat either. Only goalie time stats are kept at the lower levels. |
Edited by - danc on 12/14/2013 3:07:17 PM |
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bags
(Person With Nothing Better To Do!)
USA
2224 Posts |
Posted - 12/14/2013 : 3:20:21 PM
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I understand where your coming from and my "magic 5" would also have both
the defensive pair and the forward trio playing with other shifts. If
these 5 could be on the ice minimum 2 shifts each period together, maybe
some unique plays or formations could be tried. How many preseason games
have you seen passes 2 feet off or a pass made to the center and that player
is still 10 feet away. If we don't have 2 defensemen and 3 forwards we're
90% certain will be here next week, this team is destined for .500 at best. |
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dbc
(Been Here Awhile)
865 Posts |
Posted - 12/14/2013 : 9:11:15 PM
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The problem is very seldom except on face-offs occasionally are all five players replaced with a new line and defenseive pairing at the same time. The lines are usually rotated on a much quicker rotation for forwards, and changing on the fly is done by line or defensive pairing--never all five at the same time. Depending on the period, the forwards are usually rotated with the puck in one end of the ice and the defensive pair when it is in the other. As the normal shift for forwards is usually less than a minute of ice time such a five man rotation would be chaos. One coach usually keeps track of forwards and their ice time and another coach watches the defensemen and their ice time. Add in power plays and PKs and the chaoes of a full exchange becomes even more pronounced. The AHL and NHL usually rotate four lines and three defensive pairings.
Note they scored 3 goals and 4 non empty net goals in the last two away games again making me scratch my head as to the scoring difference home and away. In the ten home games they have not scored more than three non empty net regulation goals in any game and have scored more than 2 only twice!! In the 13 away games they have scored 4 or more non empty net goals in regulation 8 times!!. More than 2 at home twice and four or more on the road 8 times. Hard for me to understand such a difference especially as the rule is to be much more conservative in your game plan on the road. |
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dbc
(Been Here Awhile)
865 Posts |
Posted - 12/15/2013 : 09:08:40 AM
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| Think Mike Embach is glad to get out of Georgia? In his first game with Fort Wayne last night he scored the first goal and then assisted on the next two in the Fort Wayne win over K-Zoo. |
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elvis77
(Loves To Post!)
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Posted - 12/15/2013 : 11:42:16 AM
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@DBC - Even Chuck's teams (including the 07-08) team had issues scoring at home at times. It was brought up to Chuck numerous times at the Coach's Show. Chuck always said he thought it had to do with road games are a simpler game. The road team gets last change, on the fly line changes get lines mixed so the emphasis is getting the puck deep, pucks on net and getting the dirty goals whereas at home there seemed to be more pressure to make the pretty play, make the extra pass. In watching the 'Clones home games I've seen guys pass up on clean shooting lanes to make an extra pass quite often. The pass usually gets tipped and the scoring chance is eliminated. I haven't been on the road this year so I can't speak to that, but road trips during the Weber and Skalde years make me think there's some truth to what Chuck was saying.
On Embach - He never really impressed me when he played for Chicago, but when the 'Clones signed him and he finally got a chance to play I changed my tune. Of the 3 free agents traded to start the year, Embach is the guy I wish would have been held on too. |
"PBR can do that to you....1,2,3,12 beers and you're f**ked"
-oscar
"and i don't give a damn 'bout my bad reputation" - joan jett
"beer is proof that god loves us and wants us to be happy." - benjamin franklin
"is that a pulled pork sandwich i smell?"
"some things are just better without pants...."
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