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TwoMinutesWellWorthIt
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 Posted - 01/14/2009 : 8:36:15 PM
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This is a legitimate question I'm asking the Clones fans.
If the Gardens got a team next year, whether it's AHL/IHL/CHL/USHL franchise, what impact, if any, do you think it would have on the future of the Cyclones as far as public perception, attendance, etc.? |
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Susan
(Been Here Awhile)
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Posted - 01/14/2009 : 9:15:29 PM
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| I think that there would be Hockey Wars Part 2. We don't need 2 teams in the city again. If, and I mean IF the Cyclones would fold then I think that the Gardens would be a good place to play hockey. I personally wouldn't go there at night by myself, but I would come to games. |
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somebeach
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Posted - 01/14/2009 : 11:00:19 PM
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| I was a Ducks season ticket holder for 6 years. When we had no team here in Cincinnati, I was a Dayton Bomber season ticket holder. I have had Cyclones season tickets for the past 2 years. It doesn't matter to me, I just love hockey. On a personal note, I have made more friends with the Cyclones fans than I did with the Ducks. |
What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
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screamin
(The Next Level!)
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Posted - 01/14/2009 : 11:00:37 PM
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| Agreed Susan. |
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SCUBA
(Been Here Awhile)
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Posted - 01/14/2009 : 11:03:23 PM
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Interesting question, I'll answer yours if you answer mine....my Question is why? why in the world would someone, maybe some young marketing buck, why in the hell would a person, knowing that the Cyclones have a difficult time, think that a team at the gardens could do better? I think that the league is irrelevant, provided its not the NHL. I believe that the average citizen does know the NHL. In this Economy why would someone risk losing money in a market that has a History of failures? or if you will teams that could not make it in the long run....I think that alot on the anti-Clone side, or not interested in the Clones underestimate the number of folks that don't go to the Clones games waiting for a team to come back into the Gardens.
I heard something interesting from a friend of mine, we were talking about weekend plans and I told him that we were going to the Hockey game. He asked me why we would put up with teams? teams not committed to the long term, He mentioned the Ducks. He mentioned the railraiders, Stingers, Cyclones, and Mohawks. I would believe that there are quite a few folks out there that are wondering "OK now what team is here?"
AS for your question, If a team does come back into the city at the Gardens then Sure, there would be some initial interest, and on a weekend game were both teams are playing, i'm certain that the number of folks wanting to see Hockey would split between the two venues however I have to believe that interest would wean and we would have 2 teams with poor attendance....don't even think about a team under the ECHL, most folks including yourself, "I ASSUME" that are advocates of Hockey back at the Gardens wouldn't be happy with a IHL,CHL,USHL team but I cannot talk for you or others that seem not to appreciate Clones hockey. It is what it is, after what the hockey fans have gone through....which largely is unknown to alot of citizens in Cincinnati, I cannot for the life of me understand why someone would even want to try to bring another team in after what we have gone through...have we not learned anything? If the Clones fade away then sure, bring one in...but I just cannot justify having 2 teams in Cincinnati again, we are never going to see attendance like we once had |
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SCUBA
(Been Here Awhile)
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Posted - 01/14/2009 : 11:15:37 PM
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| TMWWI, It shouldn't matter...Your question, some of your Cronies at Hecklers claim to have insider information that the clones are gone after this year, sooooo only 1 team would be here at the Gardens so it's irrelevant what we, The average Clone fan thinks anyway...right? |
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CycloneRyderfan73
(The Next Level!)
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Posted - 01/14/2009 : 11:36:45 PM
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| But if it isn't ahl or nhl then the idiots at hg don't want hockey at all. They always say they want to watch players who have a future in the nhl, not players who will only be batenders or construction workers one day. |
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Hockey Traveller
(The Next Level!)
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Posted - 01/15/2009 : 12:11:51 AM
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Originally posted by CycloneRyderfan73
But if it isn't ahl or nhl then the idiots at hg don't want hockey at all. They always say they want to watch players who have a future in the nhl, not players who will only be batenders or construction workers one day.
The USHL would also fit into the category of having players with futures in the NHL, since quite a few of these players are drafted by NHL teams. But because it isn't a professional league, I don't think the people in Cincinnati would understand that junior hockey can also be quality hockey. |
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hrc666
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Posted - 01/15/2009 : 12:31:47 AM
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The USHL is a fading league. It's averaging about 2700 per game throughout the league. The number of teams in the league is down significantly from years past. Columbus, OH had a team which folded after last season (or the season before).
A USHL team wouldn't draw 1000 paid with or without any competiton. Only a fool would give this team financial backing. It's a losing proposition from the gitgo.
A CHL team is absurd. The travel distances are ridiculous. Another non-starter.
The IHL has 6 teams of which at least 2 are in dire financial straits (Flint and Port Huron).
Nobody with half a brain would get involved with that league at this time. Another non-starter.
Ah, yes. The AHL. The Philadelphia Phantoms are in need of another home-the building in which they play is going to be razed. Other AHL teams don't draw well. So there may be other candidates for The Gardens (in the minds of some) as well. But.....
Peoria, Rockford (former Ducks franchise) and Quad Cities all draw less than they did when they played in lower league (ECHL/UHL). Cincinnati wouldn't prove any different. The Robinsons didn't give the go ahead to the RailRaiders even though the commitments allegedly were within 200 or so of the required 2000 with 6 months to go BEFORE the team would take the ice.They knew-from bitter and costly experience-that an AHL team in The Gardens would not be financially viable. So, the pulled the plug on what was OBVIOUSLY the last chance for AHL hockey at The Gardens.
The only chance for the AHL to come to town is if an NHL franchise is willing to take a $1-2 million loss per season to operate it here. Any local interest who would be willing to bankroll that level of loss has been invisible on the Cincinnati hockey scene since the time of Heekin and DeWitt of The WHA Stingers.
Two minnows and the very, very familiar sounding "TraveLIAR" are here merely to stir up the pot. I have only posted to lay to rest their ridiculous inferences regarding a return of hockey to The Gardens. Their only intention is to create alarm about the future of The Cyclones. Like most minor league teams, the Cyclones continued long term existence is not guaranteed. No one knows what the future holds for the team except for the REAL insiders.
And they don't post on hockey message boards. Or give information to those who WOULD post it on hockey message boards. |
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elvis77
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Posted - 01/15/2009 : 01:45:19 AM
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bottom line is this city can't support 2 teams...it has trouble supporting 1. if the robinsons and the gardens didn't want to risk a season of losing money with the railraiders, why would they try again with a team here. they tried to bring the ahl back to cincinnati with the railraiders and packed it in after not selling enough season tickets to make the team break even at a minimum. seems to me that if they tried to bring a team in now it would be out of spite and like susan and some others have said, would lead to hockey wars part 2 and 2 teams that would struggle more than the one that is here now.
the cyclones have an advantage in that the team ownership group also owns the arena so any event that the arena hosts can help the cyclones. i would assume that if a team moved into the gardens that the robinsons would have the same thing going on but besides the shriner's circus, what does the gardens have going for it..... |
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CycloneRyderfan73
(The Next Level!)
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Posted - 01/15/2009 : 02:34:58 AM
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Originally posted by CycloneRyderfan73
But if it isn't ahl or nhl then the idiots at hg don't want hockey at all. They always say they want to watch players who have a future in the nhl, not players who will only be batenders or construction workers one day.
The USHL would also fit into the category of having players with futures in the NHL, since quite a few of these players are drafted by NHL teams. But because it isn't a professional league, I don't think the people in Cincinnati would understand that junior hockey can also be quality hockey.
You people are laughable. You make yourselves look even dumber than you already are . First it's ahl/nhl or no hockey and now it's oh the ushl is a great league, gimme a break. I for one don't really care about what league I get to watch. Cyclones echl is pro hockey and that's good enough for me. There's been over 300 echl players who have made it to the nhl, so it's a pretty good league. I've just been happy to be able to support hockey in this town whether it was the ducks or clones. |
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CycloneRyderfan73
(The Next Level!)
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Posted - 01/15/2009 : 02:36:47 AM
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Originally posted by CycloneRyderfan73
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Originally posted by Hockey Traveller
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Originally posted by CycloneRyderfan73
But if it isn't ahl or nhl then the idiots at hg don't want hockey at all. They always say they want to watch players who have a future in the nhl, not players who will only be batenders or construction workers one day.
The USHL would also fit into the category of having players with futures in the NHL, since quite a few of these players are drafted by NHL teams. But because it isn't a professional league, I don't think the people in Cincinnati would understand that junior hockey can also be quality hockey.
You people are laughable. You make yourselves look even dumber than you really are. First it's ahl/nhl or no hockey and now it's 'oh the ushl is a great league', gimme a break. I for one don't really care about what league I get to watch. Cyclones echl hockey is pro hockey and that's good enough for me. There's been over 300 echl players who have made it to the nhl, and the league has really gotten better over the years because the talent is better, so it's a pretty good league. I've just been happy to be able to support hockey in this town whether it was the ducks or clones.
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TwoMinutesWellWorthIt
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Posted - 01/15/2009 : 2:37:24 PM
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I think that there would be Hockey Wars Part 2. We don't need 2 teams in the city again. If, and I mean IF the Cyclones would fold then I think that the Gardens would be a good place to play hockey. I personally wouldn't go there at night by myself, but I would come to games.
That thought kind of crossed my mind as well. I guess that brings up the fundamental question: was the war between the Cyclones and the Ducks, or the Cyclones and the Gardens, or Cyclones and the fact that there are other hockey teams here? All of which would create a different turn if there was a second hockey war.
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"I ASSUME" that are advocates of Hockey back at the Gardens wouldn't be happy with a IHL,CHL,USHL team but I cannot talk for you or others that seem not to appreciate Clones hockey.
I like the Gardens, I really do... but again, that's not an issue. I like USBA as well. I just wish the parking would be a little bit cheaper for the stadium garage. :-) Oh, and just to recap, I go to about 75% of the Cyclones games. I went to both games this past weekend, but didn't go last night because I thought the snow was going to be way worse than it was.
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if the robinsons and the gardens didn't want to risk a season of losing money with the railraiders, why would they try again with a team here. they tried to bring the ahl back to cincinnati with the railraiders and packed it in after not selling enough season tickets to make the team break even at a minimum.
VERY few minor league teams (especially hockey teams) break even. That had nothing to do with the demise of the Railraiders campaign. You know better than that.
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You people are laughable. You make yourselves look even dumber than you already are . First it's ahl/nhl or no hockey and now it's oh the ushl is a great league, gimme a break. I for one don't really care about what league I get to watch. Cyclones echl is pro hockey and that's good enough for me. There's been over 300 echl players who have made it to the nhl, so it's a pretty good league. I've just been happy to be able to support hockey in this town whether it was the ducks or clones
I agree with you 100%.
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Two minnows and the very, very familiar sounding "TraveLIAR" are here merely to stir up the pot. I have only posted to lay to rest their ridiculous inferences regarding a return of hockey to The Gardens. Their only intention is to create alarm about the future of The Cyclones. Like most minor league teams, the Cyclones continued long term existence is not guaranteed. No one knows what the future holds for the team except for the REAL insiders.
This is no inference. It's simply a question. Why is it that everyone else can read it and give insightful, intelligent, well-thought-out answers and you have to resort to slinging mud... again.
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SCUBA
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Posted - 01/15/2009 : 3:07:17 PM
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| The War if you want to call it that...for me was cyclones VS Robinsons, we have been over it..or I have been over it almost a thousand times now.......The Clones moved I moved with them, didn't like the Gardens at all, but if the Clones stayed I would have stayed and tolerated it....the Clones faithful, including section60 moved with the Clones, it's called loyalty! I have since heard what folks on the other side(ANTI-CLONES)have said about what the Clones administration did by speading rumors and I have also heard what the Ducks did to further hostilities between the two factions. I have reason to believe that neither side did ANYTHING to help the hockey survive here in Cincinnati....I fact I had heard that 1 of Robinsons said that he really didn't care if the Ducks made it as long as it took the clones along with it, rumor? propagand? maybe but as a Clone fan from the very beginning I had no reason or intention on believing what came out of the ducks camp.....I would have to believe that Robinson at some point was bitter that the Clones moved, afterall it was one of his tennants and thus provided him with income. On the flip side..Robinson needed a tennant and it's his property and Business is business so I don't fault him from wanting a new tennant. He had to know that this would split the hockey environment had he brought in another hockey team but he did, we certainly haven't recovered have we? so I have spoke with Donnie Hockey and the likes and they swear what they say is true, however I have also spoke with Mr. Kirchofer and I felt him to be an honorable man and a genuine businesman. So we are left with this impass. If the Ducks camp/railraiders/gardens camp actually hold the Genuine truth to the whole War if you will, then they hold the burden of thruth, not the loyal cyclones fans especially if the gardens intend to bring another team into town, if we are to learn anything from the past, the likes of CD and others on HG have got to tone it down alittle, we have got to somehow cooperate, but like I said, the HG faithful claim to 1.) be making an announcement on Feb 22 about the Return to the sacred shrine of Hockey a new team and 2.) the Cyclones are folding, so it shouldn't matter what we think |
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SCUBA
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Posted - 01/15/2009 : 3:42:07 PM
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| Thought more about your original post TMWWI.....here is the crux of my answer, if I am to believe that another team is coming to Cincinnati at the Gardens and the Clones make a genuine go at another season then we have got to prevent another hockey war. If you look at the current atmosphere here in Cincinnati I as a Clone fan would believe that the war would be over except for a few that continue to post crap about the cyclones on HG, constanly stirring the pot, most Clone fans that post a rebuttle only due it in respose to crap. Most if not all of the really key players in the Hockey wars of the 90's are all gone except for a few...and I don't mean the few who claim to be key players, so the environment does I think exist. If the Gardens are hell bent on bringing another team in then both teams need to offer incentives, because if you are implying that the Clones are staying, it would be the new teams burden to attract customers, and the old teams burden to stay in business. I would suggest discount concession cards, useable at both venues, discounts on jersey packages where a patron could purchase not one jersey but both jerseys, cyclones and said new team to the Gardens at a discount. Provided that the teams are equal how about a cross town shoot out or skills challenge. discount on tickets where if you present the Gardens tickets you would get in at a discount or premium at a Clones game and vice versa. all this should have occured back in the 90's and we wouldn't be in this mess as it is.....lastly and if you want to call this a sorta sit by the fire and sing songs kinda way, if the Gardens is indeed to bring a team back into town and the clones stay, we have got to be hockey fans....now some of you might think this is crap....i'm a big boy if you call BS i'll live but it's my .02$ |
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TwoMinutesWellWorthIt
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Posted - 01/15/2009 : 4:06:30 PM
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| I want to be clear in saying that I am in no way trying to imply that the Gardens is getting a team next year or even in the foreseeable future. The Feb 22nd thing is a pipe dream at best. I want the Clones to stick around as much as you guys do. The last thing we want is to be pro hockey-less in Cincinnati. |
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