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ClonesFanNKY
(Been Here Awhile)
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 Posted - 07/09/2012 : 11:02:04 PM
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2008-09 season 29-40-7 out of playoffs
2009-10 season 31-34-11 out of playoffs
2010-11 season 33-29-10 lost in 1st round
2011-12 season 35-28-9 out of playoffs
I don't know how to coach but I can tell u this
Neither does skalde!! His stats tells you that!!
I will support this team win or lose I reather win
Tho  let's hope he shocks us all and he wins us
A championship Hell i will be happy to go deep into
The playoffs but we will see |
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elvis77
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Posted - 07/09/2012 : 11:10:17 PM
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@dbc - While I agree with your final paragraph, the middle paragraph is laughable.
For one, the profile of a good ECHL level coach is one that can recruit from a variety of different sources, adapt to an ever changing roster and adapt to the cards dealt by the affiliates. Has Skalde done any of these with much success? I haven't seen it. I heard a lot of excuses last season. When asked why they couldn't close out games, I heard about how young the team was. When the team couldn't win consistently, I heard about all the roster turnover. Well guess what, The ECHL is a developmental feeder league. Teams and coaches will always have roster turnover and the roster will always have more young players than veterans. A good ECHL coach has to deal with it, not point to it as a reason of why there isn't success. Teams which maintain a stable roster, like Kalamazoo has the past 2 seasons is the exception to the rule.
Secondly, Skalde is paid by the Cyclones. The affiliates have little say in Skalde's job with the Cyclones. The decision to retain Skalde as head coach was made by Ray Harris and Kristen Ropp. Did they consult the affiliates? Perhaps, but I think your point from the last paragraph alluded to the real reason he's back. The Team won a boat load of home games, the games were exciting and attendance increased; all that adds up to a profitable season. Factor in that the Cyclones missed the playoffs and it might be one of their most profitable. |
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dbc
(Been Here Awhile)
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Posted - 07/10/2012 : 6:22:28 PM
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Elvis
Well glad to hear that your years of experience on the ice playing for several coaches and then coaching yourself at different levels has allowed you to make such a definitive statement about Skalde and his abilities to coach. I have no idea if Skalde is good or not. That is not my job to make that decision and beyond my pay grade. However both the Cyclone management as well as the affiliates seem to think his performance as a coach and teacher were good enough to keep him. Its their job to evaluate him against their criteria--not yours-- and they did.
As to the role of the affiliates in this case, I disagree with you 100%. Harris and Ropp would not sign a coach without approval of the affiliates. Both are good business people but they are not on ice hockey people. The affiliates are not going to send players here if they don't have a coach who will buy into what they want him to do with each player. Do you really think that if the players called up to both teams complained to the AHL management and coaches about Skalde or the AHL coaches didn't see improvement in their play he would be back?? Think Harris and Ropp would want him back if the Cyclone players complained about him? To me the players, Cyclone management, and the affiliates said aye. Several fans say nay. The ayes have it |
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cloneinator
(Been Here Awhile)
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Posted - 07/10/2012 : 11:51:59 PM
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Originally posted by ClonesFanNKY
2008-09 season 29-40-7 out of playoffs
2009-10 season 31-34-11 out of playoffs
2010-11 season 33-29-10 lost in 1st round
2011-12 season 35-28-9 out of playoffs
I'd say this speaks a lot as to his abilities to coach. |
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AwesomeSauce
(The Next Level!)
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Posted - 07/11/2012 : 11:05:01 AM
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| Yes! Im so excited about the Return! Jarrod! Jarrod! USA! USA! |
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dbc
(Been Here Awhile)
865 Posts |
Posted - 07/12/2012 : 11:23:32 AM
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Clone:
As I said, I am not qualified to judge if he is a good coach or not and don't know of anyone on here who is qualified.
Records are important but certainly not everything. Ever looked at Joe Torre's record with his first team, the Mets, over several year? No winning record. Cleveland ran Belichick out of town!!
If Skalde is so bad a coach, why did Cyclones management as well as affiliate coaches and management decide to bring him back? Their professional experience told them it was the right decision based on their years of being in the game and closely watching him day in and day out in games, practice, and dealing with players and their development. That is good enough for me and trumps the decision of those that use their recreational experience of sitting in a seat watching a game they never played at a professional level to somehow come to a different conclusion.
If such fans are right then the Cyclone management and affiliate management and coaches should be fired also for having such poor hockey knowledge and judgement as to have Skalde back. |
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Hakeedude
(Been Here Awhile)
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Posted - 07/12/2012 : 12:11:39 PM
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Or.... they couldn't find anyone else. Or..... maybe he works cheap.
Or.... Who the hell knows. |
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fangers
(The Next Level!)
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Posted - 07/12/2012 : 7:02:26 PM
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Originally posted by dbc
Clone:
As I said, I am not qualified to judge if he is a good coach or not and don't know of anyone on here who is qualified.
Records are important but certainly not everything. Ever looked at Joe Torre's record with his first team, the Mets, over several year? No winning record. Cleveland ran Belichick out of town!!
If Skalde is so bad a coach, why did Cyclones management as well as affiliate coaches and management decide to bring him back? Their professional experience told them it was the right decision based on their years of being in the game and closely watching him day in and day out in games, practice, and dealing with players and their development. That is good enough for me and trumps the decision of those that use their recreational experience of sitting in a seat watching a game they never played at a professional level to somehow come to a different conclusion.
If such fans are right then the Cyclone management and affiliate management and coaches should be fired also for having such poor hockey knowledge and judgement as to have Skalde back.
You do realize that they waited until almost all the other coaching vacancies in pro hockey had been filled before they resigned him, right? If everyone felt so strongly that he was the man they wouls have resigned him right away, not wait and see who else might be out there. I think this was more a case of there really not being anyone they could get at their price, and thos willing at their price not significant of an upgrade to start over with new head coach. Cassels addition to the bench was primary reason for any improvement in key areas like powerplay...I fully expect he'll be taking over by Christmas.
And the affilliates may provide some input, but it's far less than you think...
And before you come back with your tired argument about having played & coached blah blah blah...I've never played but I'm sure I've seen far more games, at a much wider variety then most, and have learned much from discussions along the way with true hockey people. There are more than 1 way to be a student of the game... |
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Donnie Hockey
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Posted - 07/12/2012 : 8:19:55 PM
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Originally posted by fangers
[You do realize that they waited until almost all the other coaching vacancies in pro hockey had been filled before they resigned him, right? If everyone felt so strongly that he was the man they wouls have resigned him right away, not wait and see who else might be out there. I think this was more a case of there really not being anyone they could get at their price, and thos willing at their price not significant of an upgrade to start over with new head coach. Cassels addition to the bench was primary reason for any improvement in key areas like powerplay...I fully expect he'll be taking over by Christmas.
The only knowledge you have is the date the Cyclones announced Jarrod Skalde was returning. What you don't know is the date he and the Cyclones agreed to terms. I can assure you it wasn't the day his return was announced.
Skalde is very highly regarded in the professional hockey firmament. He communicates and teaches the essential parts of the game well to young players, and that's what coaches at the minor pro level are measured by -- not wins and losses.
I know Cyclones fans expect to have a team that competes for the Kelly Cup every year, but you have to look at what the ECHL has become, which is a player development league. If players on the roster are better players in March than they were in October, the head coach has done their job at this level. |
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dbc
(Been Here Awhile)
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Posted - 07/13/2012 : 11:19:45 PM
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| Thanks Donnie. Guess the Cyclones management and affiliate management and coaches are not students of the game. |
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