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Randy
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 Posted - 10/31/2013 : 08:38:16 AM
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Originally posted by SCUBA
scoreless, maybe.....but still in the NHL, which is more than you predicted.
Yes, more than I and so many people in the pro hockey firmament thought.
But if he doesn't start playing better, he'll prove a lot of people were right when they said his time in the NHL wouldn't be long.
He's not just off to a slow start. His poor play is a carry-over from last season.
BTW ... scoreless again tonight.
Regardless if he isn't in the NHL after this year... he proved you wrong when you said he would never play in the NHL and that is the only thing that matters.
You on the other hand are still doing press releases for a amusement park. DD has much better life than you even if he retired from hockey right now compared to some old man who won't stop internet trolling on a minor league hockey message board. |
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Donnie Hockey
(Loves To Post!)
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Posted - 10/31/2013 : 09:46:04 AM
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You on the other hand are still doing press releases for a amusement park.
It has an acknowledged reputation as one of the top amusement/theme parks in the world, which is a pretty big place.
We've been through this countless times that I was wrong that he wouldn't make it to the NHL. A lot of people were wrong on that front, including his own parents.
And Scuba ... when Desharnais isn't producing offensively he is of little or no value to his team. He doesn't get on loose pucks, he doesn't drive to the net, he doesn't win many one-on-one battles, and that's something the Canadiens head coach, Michel Therrien, has stated they want and need for him to do.
He's been demoted from the first to the third line and remains in the lineup for now because they don't have any other options. The media and fans have been very critical of his play dating back to last season. The team's TV broadcasters blasted him a couple weeks ago.
Some feel since he got the security of a four-year contract he's stopped competing every night thinking he had it made. The handful of games I watched on TV, it looks like what's happened is teams are taking away what he does best (make plays) by not giving him any room to be creative. They're paying more attention to him now than they did when he first came up.
Desharnais has elite skill level. I never questioned that. I questioned how effective he would be due to his lack of size and strength. Short term he played well but team's figured out how to take away what he's good at. |
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SCUBA
(Been Here Awhile)
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Posted - 10/31/2013 : 3:33:35 PM
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| Here is the problem,It appears to me that it is FAR more important to you that Desharnais fails than for us(me)? that he succeeds. I don't control his point production and I certainly don't control what the Canadiens fans think of him. I am happy that he has gotten his shot and if he sticks...great. Regardless of what information or stats you provide us, for the most part could be obtained by ANYONE with the ability to google. I wish that we were REALLY debating Desharnais skill and ability to play but I fear that it is far deeper than that. I have been from time to time accused by you that I have an axe to grind but you sir.......Lastly, I for one am happy that your park in Mason has finally stopped being Cedar Fair's red headed step child, Kudos on renaming the Flight Deck and convincing Cedar fair to drop in a record breaking coaster.......we are about 6 rides behind though, but it is a start. |
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Donnie Hockey
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Posted - 10/31/2013 : 5:08:14 PM
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Originally posted by SCUBA
Here is the problem,It appears to me that it is FAR more important to you that Desharnais fails than for us(me)? that he succeeds. I don't control his point production and I certainly don't control what the Canadiens fans think of him. I am happy that he has gotten his shot and if he sticks...great. Regardless of what information or stats you provide us, for the most part could be obtained by ANYONE with the ability to google. I wish that we were REALLY debating Desharnais skill and ability to play but I fear that it is far deeper than that. I have been from time to time accused by you that I have an axe to grind but you sir.......Lastly, I for one am happy that your park in Mason has finally stopped being Cedar Fair's red headed step child, Kudos on renaming the Flight Deck and convincing Cedar fair to drop in a record breaking coaster.......we are about 6 rides behind though, but it is a start.
Most of what I post about Desharnais comes from talking to people that play against him, coach against him, or cover games he's played in, which provides me with insight that nobody else on this site has access to. I'm just sharing their thoughts on him with Cyclones fans. :)
The Bat flies again! Glad to hear you like the name change.
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Donnie Hockey
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Posted - 11/05/2013 : 8:41:17 PM
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| David Desharnais poor play has reached a breaking point as he was a healthy scratch for tonight's game against the St. Louis Blues. He was replaced in the Canadiens lineup by 30-year-old Martin St. Pierre, who was recalled from AHL Hamilton. |
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bags
(Person With Nothing Better To Do!)
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Posted - 11/07/2013 : 9:41:10 PM
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Originally posted by Donnie Hockey
David Desharnais poor play has reached a breaking point as he was a healthy scratch for tonight's game against the St. Louis Blues. He was replaced in the Canadiens lineup by 30-year-old Martin St. Pierre, who was recalled from AHL Hamilton.
11/06/2013 Martin St. Pierre (C) Hamilton ADD Returned on loan from Montreal (NHL)
Don't get me wrong, Desharnais is not playing up to his previous levels
but the fact St. Pierre is back in Hamilton and DD is back on the ice makes
me think Montreal still has faith in him. Maybe some days off could help
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Donnie Hockey
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Posted - 11/08/2013 : 09:00:41 AM
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Originally posted by bags
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Originally posted by Donnie Hockey
David Desharnais poor play has reached a breaking point as he was a healthy scratch for tonight's game against the St. Louis Blues. He was replaced in the Canadiens lineup by 30-year-old Martin St. Pierre, who was recalled from AHL Hamilton.
11/06/2013 Martin St. Pierre (C) Hamilton ADD Returned on loan from Montreal (NHL)
Don't get me wrong, Desharnais is not playing up to his previous levels
but the fact St. Pierre is back in Hamilton and DD is back on the ice makes
me think Montreal still has faith in him. Maybe some days off could help
him get back to form.
His previous levels in the NHL weren't great. He had one decent year in 2011-12, but struggled last year and has continued to play poorly this season.
The game off didn't help. He had another bad game last night in a 4-1 loss to Ottawa going scoreless on no shots and winning just two of 10 faceoffs. |
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danc
(The Next Level!)
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Posted - 11/08/2013 : 6:39:28 PM
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Desharnais continues his deep slump.
I've watched a handful of Montreal games this year and he didn't look that bad, but my sample was limited.
He's got time to right the ship. He's only a fraction of a season into a guaranteed 4 year $14 million deal. Montreal only has one center playing well, Plekanec. Eller has 1 goal (put into the net by an opponent) and 2 assists in his last 14 games and is a minus 4. Desharnais is only a -1 in his past 14 despite generating no offense. He's a defensively responsible player contrary to what many think.
A change of scenery wouldn't be the worst thing for Desharnais. There are plenty of teams who have struggling players with contracts similar to Desharnais contract, so something could be worked out to move him. If work ethic has become a problem-I have no idea if that's accurate-then a trip to Hamilton may be in order. He could also be moved to wing.
Last season, Desharnais produced at a 50 point clip and the previous season he had 60 points. He's only 27, so it's too soon for him to have lost it and teams were keying on him when he was on the Canadiens most productive line two years ago with Cole and Pacioretty. He hasn't been an unknown quantity since 2010.
I think he's in the midst of an ugly slump and perhaps has become a bit complacent since he secured his financial future. His confidence is very low right now. He'll rebound in due course. |
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Donnie Hockey
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Posted - 11/08/2013 : 7:20:28 PM
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Originally posted by danc
Desharnais continues his deep slump.
If work ethic has become a problem-I have no idea if that's accurate-then a trip to Hamilton may be in order. He could also be moved to wing.
Work ethic is reportedly one of the biggest issues he's been taking heat for from the coaching staff, media and fans. He's been a no-show for optional practices, last one on and first one off the ice during mandatory practices, combined with not competing hard during games.
There are no teams interested in trading for him due to his contract and struggles dating back to last season. Only way Montreal can move him would be to take on contract that is worse.
Once Desharnais had security with the four-year contract he signed last season, he stopped working. He's not the first player that's done that.
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bags
(Person With Nothing Better To Do!)
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Posted - 11/08/2013 : 7:59:26 PM
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Originally posted by Donnie Hockey
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Originally posted by danc
Desharnais continues his deep slump.
If work ethic has become a problem-I have no idea if that's accurate-then a trip to Hamilton may be in order. He could also be moved to wing.
Work ethic is reportedly one of the biggest issues he's been taking heat for from the coaching staff, media and fans. He's been a no-show for optional practices, last one on and first one off the ice during mandatory practices, combined with not competing hard during games.
There are no teams interested in trading for him due to his contract and struggles dating back to last season. Only way Montreal can move him would be to take on contract that is worse.
Once Desharnais had security with the four-year contract he signed last season, he stopped working. He's not the first player that's done that.
Okay DH, you like to spout all these negative comments but you never back them up
with any links for others to verify. I caught heck for my negative comments on
Coach Skalde but I never claimed it was anyone else's words. Show me one article
showing Desharnais has been "dogging it" and I'll give some credits to your words. |
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Donnie Hockey
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Posted - 11/08/2013 : 8:08:36 PM
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Okay DH, you like to spout all these negative comments but you never back them up
with any links for others to verify. I caught heck for my negative comments on
Coach Skalde but I never claimed it was anyone else's words. Show me one article
showing Desharnais has been "dogging it" and I'll give some credits to your words.
Since you never take my word for it, here you go:
http://montrealhockeytalk.com/blogs/is-david-desharnais-done-with-the-habs/
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bags
(Person With Nothing Better To Do!)
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Posted - 11/08/2013 : 9:21:16 PM
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http://montrealhockeytalk.com/blogs/is-david-desharnais-done-with-the-habs/#sthash.zc6BQ8Uk.dpuf
About CoachK
has written 336 post in this blog.
I’ve been behind the bench for more than 15 years, at all age levels. Seen more video on hockey than most coaches watch in their lifetimes. I think I know my stuff!
So this is your source of all these facts about David Desharnais. I will
give you credit for at least giving a link to this NHL quality info.I sure
can't argue with a source like this  ! |
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Donnie Hockey
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Posted - 11/08/2013 : 10:29:59 PM
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Originally posted by bags
http://montrealhockeytalk.com/blogs/is-david-desharnais-done-with-the-habs/#sthash.zc6BQ8Uk.dpuf
About CoachK
has written 336 post in this blog.
I’ve been behind the bench for more than 15 years, at all age levels. Seen more video on hockey than most coaches watch in their lifetimes. I think I know my stuff!
So this is your source of all these facts about David Desharnais. I will
give you credit for at least giving a link to this NHL quality info.I sure
can't argue with a source like this !
No, Bags, this isn't my only source on all facts about Desharnais. I talk to people that cover, broadcast, scout and coach games that Desharnais has played in. Not sure if you're aware but I can't link phone conversations. I suppose if you want more proof I could show you some of the emails and text messages with NHL people about him if we run into each other at a Cyclones game But you'd still question that, too. :)
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bags
(Person With Nothing Better To Do!)
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Posted - 11/09/2013 : 09:55:24 AM
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Okay DH you gave me a good laugh with that last link. If you go back to
your original post and my follow-up post, my info was from the printed
news, not a website like this one. Most of us post on sites like this to
express our opinions (some correct and some not)on a team they either
love or hate. I've been wrong many of times and most people will point out
the flawes and I can either agree or disagree.
We all can agree Desharnais is having a rough year. Maybe the new system is
not a good fit and a new team would help him out. Maybe even a quick trip back
to the AHL to play through any problems they can point out would also be
helpful. My opinion and your opinion is just that-an opinion. Maybe I should
just let you keep spouting off against former Cyclone players and let you stay
in your Ducks and Cincinnati Garden's dreamworld. Too bad I'm not that smart. |
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Donnie Hockey
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Posted - 11/09/2013 : 10:56:00 AM
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Maybe I should
just let you keep spouting off against former Cyclone players and let you stay in your Ducks and Cincinnati Garden's dreamworld. Too bad I'm not that smart.
What does the former AHL Ducks and Cincinnati Gardens have to do with a former ECHL Cyclones player struggling to make it as an NHL player over the long haul? Not sure why a select number of Cyclones fans always feel they have to go that route when something Cyclones-related isn't going their way.
Petty stuff about the Ducks and Gardens by a select number of Cyclones fans continues to be a reason why there are still a good number of area hockey fans that won't go to Cyclones games. Instead they make the 2-hour trek to Columbus a handful of times for Blue Jackets games, or travel to Oxford to watch college hockey instead of staying in town to watch what is a pretty good product with the ECHL and the teams the Cyclones have put on the ice every year since their return following a two-year sabbatical.
I understand the bitterness Cyclones fans initially had towards the Gardens, Ducks, Anaheim and the AHL for bringing in a team when there was already an established team in town. The AHL should never have allowed that to happen. But it did happen and it gave area hockey fans the chance to see a lot of really good players in a Cincinnati uniform. Some took advantage of that opportunity, while others -- due to their bitterness -- did not.
The arrival of the Ducks was only a contributing factor in the demise of the IHL Cyclones. They were experiencing serious financial problems long before the Ducks set up shop at the Gardens. A series of bad business decisions such as the acquisition of the Silverbacks soccer team led them down the path of self-destruction.
It would benefit the Cyclones if some of their fans would let the past be the past which would pave the way for all area hockey fans to come together as one again, but that's not going to happen as long as a select number of Cyclones fans want to continue to have a chip on their shoulder about something that happened 17 years ago, most of which they have no real insight on as to how and why it happened. |
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Edited by - Donnie Hockey on 11/09/2013 11:12:09 AM |
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