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elvis77
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 Posted - 12/15/2013 : 12:23:47 PM
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I'll be updating the CycWords blog today or tomorrow but wanted to get some opinions on something first.
Tony Turgeon has returned to lineup and he's now logged 3 games. He's registered fighting majors in all 3. He's also earned minor in addition to those majors putting the 'Clones on K. When Justin Johnson and Hans Benson were here they were often thrown under the bus for similar actions. Turgeon's 1st 2 fights basically went down like this: Turgeon takes exception to a questionable yet clean hit, he then chases the player down, hooking and eventually grabbing the guy from behind before dropping the gloves and fighting. To his credit, he was not the instigator of the 3rd fight and both players involved received additional minors.
My question is this, given the lack of grit in the way this team plays, is it acceptable for Turgeon to continue this behavior? I of the mind that while the extra minors aren't something I like, I'll deal with them in hopes that Turgeon's physicality rubs off on the rest of the team. In a perfect world, I'd see Turgeon instigating the hitting and drawing the opposition into retaliating rather than the other way around.
Thoughts?
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Reggie Dunlop
(The Next Level!)
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Posted - 12/16/2013 : 11:06:29 AM
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I tend to like an intimidating presence in the lineup. TT doesn't necessarily have to fight to have an impact on the game. His presence in front of the net can serve as a major challenge for opposing forwards. The shifty players will think twice about going into the middle and the net crashers will have to negotiate a sturdy defenseman who has bad intentions. As the old axiom goes, you can't teach size. Additionally, with the lack of physical play demonstrated by this current roster, having TT in the mix just might keep the opposition a bit more honest with stick work and extracurricular physicality. If they know they ultimately have to answer to a bonafide heavyweight, they may think twice about the rough stuff.
However, if TT is simply running around and looking for a fight, then he may become a detriment to the overall scheme. Perhaps, Simon can keep him on a mildly tight leash to get a feel for what value his presence in the lineup brings. |
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bags
(Person With Nothing Better To Do!)
USA
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Posted - 12/16/2013 : 5:48:23 PM
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Elvis, you bring up Johnson and Benson but not Liambas. I always thought
Johnson and Benson played the enforcer the way it was meant to be. When
it came to Liambas, here was a headhunter always looking for the chance
to "light someone up". If Turgeon can keep the other teams honest with
hits while also making them think when he's on the ice, I'm all for it.
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PsychFan
(Finally Got A Star!)
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Posted - 12/16/2013 : 9:50:27 PM
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Originally posted by bags
Elvis, you bring up Johnson and Benson but not Liambas. I always thought
Johnson and Benson played the enforcer the way it was meant to be. When
it came to Liambas, here was a headhunter always looking for the chance
to "light someone up". If Turgeon can keep the other teams honest with
hits while also making them think when he's on the ice, I'm all for it.
Guess you must know more than the AHL higher-ups. Liambas is getting regular ice time in Milwaukee doing exactly what he did in Cincinnati. Glad you're not in charge. |
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bags
(Person With Nothing Better To Do!)
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Posted - 12/17/2013 : 06:37:39 AM
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For a period of time with the Cyclones, Mike Liambas played good hockey
and I even praised his efforts while learning to be a defenseman. Then his
old headhunting days started back up and he no longer was concerned with
hockey but instead how to get the big hit delivered. Benson and Johnson
came to the Cyclones w/ the rep of being a goon type player, but instead
Weber gave them the chance to be tough hockey players and both played well
for us. Maybe Milwaukee is doing the same thing but haven't seen him play
since he left, so my judgement is based on what I saw here. Maybe we can
make you happy by getting Chaz Johnson. I'm sure you must love his dirty,
cheap shot style of hockey. |
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PsychFan
(Finally Got A Star!)
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Posted - 12/17/2013 : 2:59:14 PM
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Originally posted by bags
For a period of time with the Cyclones, Mike Liambas played good hockey
and I even praised his efforts while learning to be a defenseman. Then his
old headhunting days started back up and he no longer was concerned with
hockey but instead how to get the big hit delivered. Benson and Johnson
came to the Cyclones w/ the rep of being a goon type player, but instead
Weber gave them the chance to be tough hockey players and both played well
for us. Maybe Milwaukee is doing the same thing but haven't seen him play
since he left, so my judgement is based on what I saw here. Maybe we can
make you happy by getting Chaz Johnson. I'm sure you must love his dirty,
cheap shot style of hockey.
But my point is that if he was such a "goon" and was worried only about making a big hit, he WOULDNT be in the AHL. Seriously, it's like everyone on here is 5 years old! |
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AwesomeSauce
(The Next Level!)
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Posted - 12/18/2013 : 12:36:30 AM
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Originally posted by PsychFan
But my point is that if he was such a "goon" and was worried only about making a big hit, he WOULDNT be in the AHL. Seriously, it's like everyone on here is 5 years old!
After seeing your posts for awhile I must say you're the one that usually acts like a child. There's no reason to try to belittle and attack people for their opinion on of all things a message board dedicated to a minor league hockey team. Grow up, get a life, step in front of a bus.... please. |
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dbc
(Been Here Awhile)
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Posted - 12/18/2013 : 09:50:36 AM
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PsychFan
(Finally Got A Star!)
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Posted - 12/18/2013 : 11:39:00 AM
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Originally posted by AwesomeSauce
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Originally posted by PsychFan
But my point is that if he was such a "goon" and was worried only about making a big hit, he WOULDNT be in the AHL. Seriously, it's like everyone on here is 5 years old!
After seeing your posts for awhile I must say you're the one that usually acts like a child. There's no reason to try to belittle and attack people for their opinion on of all things a message board dedicated to a minor league hockey team. Grow up, get a life, step in front of a bus.... please.
Suggesting a suicide? I rest my case. Thanks for making my point "Awesome Sauce" |
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bags
(Person With Nothing Better To Do!)
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Posted - 12/18/2013 : 12:39:26 PM
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Sorry Elvis for turning your question ugly. I brought up Liambas to
make the point Johnson and Benson were quality enforcers in they knew
when to hit and when not to. I didn't feel that was the case when Mike
was here. As for our now "hockey expert" PsychFan, if your what this site
has turned into, I'll take my "5 YEAR OLD" hockey knowledge and opinions
and leave you in peace. |
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elvis77
(Loves To Post!)
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Posted - 12/18/2013 : 1:09:46 PM
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No problem bags, I don't see eye to eye with you on Liambas but we're entitled to our opinions. I think Benson and Johnson took far more selfish penalties than Liambas. Liambas hit people harder than anyone I've ever seen at this level of hockey and all too often I think he'd get penalized for the result of an otherwise clean hit rather than for the hit itself being dirty. Would he occasionally take penalty, yes, I can't deny that, but his presence in the line up kept the opposition honest. Liambas probably drew as many, if not more penalties as he was whistled for because of his style of play and the way he could get under the oppisitions skin. Mike got a bad rap because of an incident in Jr's. I've watched the play and read numerous articles by Canadian law students who used it as a case study and most of whom didn't regard the play as cheap or dirty putting as much responsibility on the player who was hit for turning his back to the check. I think that incident was more a matter of a 20 year old player checking a 16 year old player, the difference in strength between the 2 players makes the physics of the play easy to figure out. There's no question Liambas is probably the most polarizing player to come through the Cyclones organization and people either love him or hate him and it's unlikely those two groups will ever find any common ground.
I have to give Turgeon credit in last night's game. He avoided the selfish penalties, and was a physical presence in his limited playing time. If he continues to play in that manner he should prove to be quite an asset moving forward. |
"PBR can do that to you....1,2,3,12 beers and you're f**ked"
-oscar
"and i don't give a damn 'bout my bad reputation" - joan jett
"beer is proof that god loves us and wants us to be happy." - benjamin franklin
"is that a pulled pork sandwich i smell?"
"some things are just better without pants...."
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danc
(The Next Level!)
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Posted - 12/18/2013 : 3:48:31 PM
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Originally posted by elvis77
No problem bags, I don't see eye to eye with you on Liambas but we're entitled to our opinions. I think Benson and Johnson took far more selfish penalties than Liambas. Liambas hit people harder than anyone I've ever seen at this level of hockey and all too often I think he'd get penalized for the result of an otherwise clean hit rather than for the hit itself being dirty. Would he occasionally take penalty, yes, I can't deny that, but his presence in the line up kept the opposition honest. Liambas probably drew as many, if not more penalties as he was whistled for because of his style of play and the way he could get under the oppisitions skin. Mike got a bad rap because of an incident in Jr's. I've watched the play and read numerous articles by Canadian law students who used it as a case study and most of whom didn't regard the play as cheap or dirty putting as much responsibility on the player who was hit for turning his back to the check. I think that incident was more a matter of a 20 year old player checking a 16 year old player, the difference in strength between the 2 players makes the physics of the play easy to figure out. There's no question Liambas is probably the most polarizing player to come through the Cyclones organization and people either love him or hate him and it's unlikely those two groups will ever find any common ground.
I have to give Turgeon credit in last night's game. He avoided the selfish penalties, and was a physical presence in his limited playing time. If he continues to play in that manner he should prove to be quite an asset moving forward.
Spot on analysis of Liambas.
Turgeon did his job well last night. The rest of the team ought to be fitted for dresses.
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AwesomeSauce
(The Next Level!)
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Posted - 12/18/2013 : 6:27:11 PM
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Originally posted by PsychFan
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Originally posted by AwesomeSauce
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Originally posted by PsychFan
But my point is that if he was such a "goon" and was worried only about making a big hit, he WOULDNT be in the AHL. Seriously, it's like everyone on here is 5 years old!
After seeing your posts for awhile I must say you're the one that usually acts like a child. There's no reason to try to belittle and attack people for their opinion on of all things a message board dedicated to a minor league hockey team. Grow up, get a life, step in front of a bus.... please.
Suggesting a suicide? I rest my case. Thanks for making my point "Awesome Sauce"
If this board is so beneath you why not just find somewhere else to enlighten others with your never ending wealth of hockey knowledge? I see you're a fan of psychology, aren't there any other interests that you could explore aside from putting people down constantly on a message board? |
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PsychFan
(Finally Got A Star!)
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Posted - 12/19/2013 : 09:39:24 AM
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Originally posted by AwesomeSauce
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Originally posted by PsychFan
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Originally posted by AwesomeSauce
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Originally posted by PsychFan
But my point is that if he was such a "goon" and was worried only about making a big hit, he WOULDNT be in the AHL. Seriously, it's like everyone on here is 5 years old!
After seeing your posts for awhile I must say you're the one that usually acts like a child. There's no reason to try to belittle and attack people for their opinion on of all things a message board dedicated to a minor league hockey team. Grow up, get a life, step in front of a bus.... please.
Suggesting a suicide? I rest my case. Thanks for making my point "Awesome Sauce"
If this board is so beneath you why not just find somewhere else to enlighten others with your never ending wealth of hockey knowledge? I see you're a fan of psychology, aren't there any other interests that you could explore aside from putting people down constantly on a message board?
My point was that you told me to "grow up" then followed up by saying "step in front of a bus." Again, you prove my point. |
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Susan
(Been Here Awhile)
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Posted - 12/22/2013 : 8:26:32 PM
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I just want to say "thanks" to both danc & Psychfan for ruining what could be a good message board. I personally think that the trash talking between the two of you should be taken off line. I seriously doubt I'll come back to this website thanks to the two of you. You have taken the fun out of this message board for me.
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cloneinator
(Been Here Awhile)
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Posted - 12/23/2013 : 09:20:00 AM
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Originally posted by Susan
I just want to say "thanks" to both danc & Psychfan for ruining what could be a good message board. I personally think that the trash talking between the two of you should be taken off line. I seriously doubt I'll come back to this website thanks to the two of you. You have taken the fun out of this message board for me.
That's the point where I am Susan. I'm equally disappointed it's been allowed to continue despite all the complaints. |
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