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Donnie Hockey
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 Posted - 01/08/2009 : 4:55:28 PM
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Originally posted by TwoMinutesWellWorthIt
Kind of like how yours is the ability to cut and past statistics on HG and eat $1 hot dogs and claim that your a hockey expert as a result of it? You know little to nothing about the sport beyond where to park and where the box office is. How can I tell? Because you've never said anything insightful in your posts and when you make your failed attempts to do so, it's obvious that you're just repeating the text from an article or game notes. Anyone who would claim otherwise about you obviously can't see that and knows as little as you do.
hrc666 knows the game. He's been going to hockey games here since the Stingers days. He's at the games, supports his team, and he's been doing that for years. Just because he bashes you and I doesn't mean he doesn't know the game. And he only goes after you because you're a friend of mine.
We actually had a pretty good discussion once about the WHA Stingers. But then I had the audacity to say Desharnais was too small to play regularly in the AHL (and the jury is still out; he's only played a half season), and he became like many other Cyclones fans, bringing up the Ducks and Gardens and all the other childish B.S. you've become accustomed to reading from him on HG.
When I said Desharnais was too small I got bashed for it. But there's a lot of NHL scouts, scouts from all 30 NHL teams in fact, that felt the same way because he went undrafted, went unsigned as an undrafted free agent, and wasn't signed to a standard AHL contract by any AHL teams before landing with the Cyclones. Even after a terrific rookie pro season last season, there were still no NHL teams interested in giving him a contract. Yet, I'm the one that's wrong. :) Montreal was pleased with the way he played early in the season and signed him to a two-year contract. He's played well for Hamilton, especially away from the puck. The coaching staff in Hamilton and Montreal organization is more pleased about that aspect of his game than the points he's put up. Hopefully he continues to play well and one day gets a shot at the NHL, or he puts himself in a position to earn a contract with a team in Europe that sets him up for life. |
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BannerLady
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Posted - 01/08/2009 : 7:38:32 PM
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lol I seem to recall a certain young man that was signed by the Stingers, and there was talk then of him being 'small'. But he was still growing. He spent many years in the NHL once he came into his 'own'. That young man was Mark Messiae (sorry if spelled wrong, always did have trouble spelling his last name.)
Not to say that DD will have that same kind of success.........but he is hockey smart and THAT is what is giving him his shot. LOL Who knows he could have a growth spurt! I personnally have know male friends that went from 5'9" to 6'2" in their early 20s' |
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Donnie Hockey
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Posted - 01/08/2009 : 8:00:04 PM
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Mark Messier stood 6-foot-1, but weighed 175 pounds when he played for the Stingers. He spent most of his NHL career in the 210-pound range. When he played for the Stingers, it was said Messier wasn't very strong. There was never talk of him being small.
The smallest Stinger was Robbie Ftorek at 5-foot-8, two inches taller than Desharnais. Ftorek was also a better skater than Desharnais and played with a lot of intensity. He was relentless on the forecheck, someone other teams hated to play against.
Desharnais is 22. He's 5-foot-6. He's about as big as he's going to get. He can get stronger and become harder to knock off the puck, like Martin St. Louis. Desharnais does a good job killing penalties and he wins faceoffs. If he can become great at one of those two things, he's got a shot at playing in the National Hockey League. |
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Edited by - Donnie Hockey on 01/08/2009 8:02:01 PM |
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TwoMinutesWellWorthIt
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Posted - 01/08/2009 : 9:13:39 PM
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Don,
Wasn't it your idea to use Thunderstruck as the intro for the Cyclones games? I know a lot of people rip on you here, but they seem to enjoy your legacy anyway... |
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Donnie Hockey
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Posted - 01/08/2009 : 9:15:20 PM
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| That they do, TMWWI. |
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TwoMinutesWellWorthIt
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Posted - 01/08/2009 : 9:23:22 PM
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| By the way Don... that idea that you sent me the other night about how the Cyclones could sell more tickets... I've been thinking about it, and I bet it could work really well, but I just don't see them having the front office staff that would be willing or able to execute such a plan. Remember if you want to build a working machine you have to have all of the right parts!! |
Edited by - TwoMinutesWellWorthIt on 01/08/2009 9:24:27 PM |
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Donnie Hockey
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Posted - 01/08/2009 : 9:35:52 PM
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Originally posted by TwoMinutesWellWorthIt
By the way Don... that idea that you sent me the other night about how the Cyclones could sell more tickets... I've been thinking about it, and I bet it could work really well, but I just don't see them having the front office staff that would be willing or able to execute such a plan. Remember if you want to build a working machine you have to have all of the right parts!!
It wouldn't cost them any money past advertising the game promotion, no different than what they're doing now for tomorrow night's game, it would create a lot of awareness, it would be fun for the fans, and it would lead to a packed house. |
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BannerLady
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Posted - 01/08/2009 : 10:40:17 PM
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BannerLady
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Posted - 01/08/2009 : 11:16:23 PM
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Small does not always mean height!
There is more to a persons' size than just how tall he is. Like the statistics you quoted........there is weight and strength. But there is more as well! Their skill and determination play a BIG roll and how they put those to the test as they move forward (or not).
BTW......I remember very clearly the night Mark joined the team and we all went to the usual 'watering hole' after the game. Was introduced to him by players I knew as the "new kid". The players, themselves referred to him as 'small' and said they would have to build him up!
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Donnie Hockey
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Posted - 01/08/2009 : 11:35:53 PM
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The Swords and Stingers days ... it was just about hockey for everyone back then. Not buildings, team names, leagues or owners. We were just happy to have a team.
I remember Messier's first pro goal scored on a dump-in. Darryl Maggs scoring in OT to beat Birmingham. Rick Dudley about to get in a fight with Gordie Howe and then realizing if he beat up Mr. Hockey he'd look like an idiot for beating up an old man, and if Mr. Hockey beat him up he'd like like an idiot for getting beat up by an old man.
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hrc666
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Posted - 01/09/2009 : 01:08:45 AM
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Originally posted by Donnie Hockey
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Originally posted by TwoMinutesWellWorthIt
Kind of like how yours is the ability to cut and past statistics on HG and eat $1 hot dogs and claim that your a hockey expert as a result of it? You know little to nothing about the sport beyond where to park and where the box office is. How can I tell? Because you've never said anything insightful in your posts and when you make your failed attempts to do so, it's obvious that you're just repeating the text from an article or game notes. Anyone who would claim otherwise about you obviously can't see that and knows as little as you do.
hrc666 knows the game. He's been going to hockey games here since the Stingers days. He's at the games, supports his team, and he's been doing that for years. Just because he bashes you and I doesn't mean he doesn't know the game. And he only goes after you because you're a friend of mine.
We actually had a pretty good discussion once about the WHA Stingers. But then I had the audacity to say Desharnais was too small to play regularly in the AHL (and the jury is still out; he's only played a half season), and he became like many other Cyclones fans, bringing up the Ducks and Gardens and all the other childish B.S. you've become accustomed to reading from him on HG.
My posts on HG were rarely ever anti-Duck or Gardens. When they were, they were meant only to inflame (evidently effectively ) and usually as a counter to the incessant and often unfair bashing of the Cyclones which you (not always) an othres (always) posted. And posting childishly on HG appears to be the order of the day with ALL of the regulars. I was merely trying to fit in
I think that you sometimes demeaned Desharnais abilities based on your, at times, vociferous anti-Cyclone mindset, allowing that to offset your obvious ability to quality talent. Yes, I actually said that. I think that your comments on Desjardins were clouded by the same mindset as well. I honestly believe that.
You are wrong on one thing. I go after 2 minnows worth of intelligence because he is an idiot. |
"The only way David Desharnais will see an NHL game is if he buys a ticket".
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Donnie Hockey
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Posted - 01/09/2009 : 01:44:49 AM
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I am not anti-Cyclone. Let's get that part straight, hrc666. I have nothing against the Cyclones, the arena, the league, the owners. Ask guys like Screamin, JEvers, Somebeach if they've ever heard me say anything to them that would suggest I was anti-Cyclone. They've all known me for nearly 20 years.
I saw Desharnais play in the AHL with Bridgeport. He got pushed around, was easily knocked off the puck (btw ... I called his first pro goal). He was effective on the power play, but five-on-five, he wasn't anything special. I never said he didn't have skill or talent. I just said he was small. He's played well but he's not been dominant at the AHL level like he was in the ECHL. Just because he picks up points doesn't mean he's played great. He's been OK. Nothing spectacular.
Desjardins, the times I saw him play struggled with rebounds and consistency. He was absolutely terrible his first few AHL games with Hamilton. Don Lever couldn't trust him. He's had some good moments this season but then again so did Ryan Hoople, Jason Elliott, Aren Miller, Jamie Ram, Mathieu Chouinard. He's not established himself yet at the AHL level. There is still a lot of season left to play.
BTW ... for the 80-kabillionth time, I am not CD. He's about 20 years older, retired and just posts on HG because he enjoys ruffling people's feathers. If you knew the guy you'd understand most of the stuff he says is tongue-and-cheek. He's actually a pretty good guy. Loves hockey. |
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elvis77
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Posted - 01/09/2009 : 02:45:52 AM
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donnie, i know you know the game but i have to take some issuesd with your assessments of ceddy and DD...
1st desjardins. he is currently 6 and 6 with a .916sv% and a 2.58gaa, which leads the bulldogs. granted denis has carried the workload but in a few of those loses that ceddy has had his teammates "hopped on the bus a little early" to paraphrase the hamilton spector(i have watched or listened to several of the games he's played as well). is ceddy ready to be the go to guy for an ahl team? i'd have to agree with you in saying no. however, those numbers are impressive and given his nhl preseason shootout performance against detroit where he stopped all 4 detroit shooters (datsyuk, hossa, leino, and holmstrom) along with the fact that he's only 23, i think you'd have to say that he at least has an ahl upside where he'll be the starter and the #3 in an NHL organization and if his improvement continues there is now reason to think he won't get a call up. will he get a start? i'll go with 80/20 that he won't, but then again while in jr's the scouts said the the jacket's steve mason woule never play in the NHL.....
2nd desharnais. he's 11 and 14 for 25 points which is 2nd on the bulldogs amongst active player. he's also +4. given the fact that he usually doesn't play on the top line those numbers are impressive. impressive enough for montreal to sign him to a 2 way. DD does get a fair amount of PP time which you could say inflates his point totals, but if you use that argument that adds a bit more weight to the +4 because PP goals and don't contribute to the +/-. both chuck and don lever have commented on his work ethic and said he works as hard if not harder than anyone else on the team. is he going to start in the nhl next week? probably not, but could he play there someday? i would say that with they way he works and the improvements he's made so far, i don't see why he can't... time will tell and with the current rule structure it makes it easier for smaller players to excel. in his first full season as a pro with the cyclones last season he proved that his jr numbers were not a fluke. he is contining to show that he can perform at the ahl level as well, as he is on pace to hit at least 40 potentially 50pts this season. he plays well off the puck as well, finding open ice and what not. i would think that those things combined would make him have more upside than down. is he the gretzky (wayne was only 6ft 185lbs), probably not, but with his work ethic and abilities, there is no reason to think that he couldn't be another st. louis. it's just going to take an organization that will give him a chance. |
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Donnie Hockey
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Posted - 01/09/2009 : 3:43:46 PM
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Hillier has a superior goals-against average and save percentage to Giguere in Anaheim, and on paper looks like he's played better. But then you look at who he's getting his starts against (lower rung teams like St. Louis and Los Angeles) versus the teams Giguere draws his starts against (Detroit, San Jose, Chicago, etc) and the numbers aren't as they appear.
With goaltenders, what their goals-against average and save percentages are doesn't reflect how well they've actually played. Those stats can be very misleading. The stats that matter are winning percentage and what their save percentage is during games in which the score is tied and their team is leading by one. Those statistics -- save percentage when the score is tied and leading by one -- are not available to fans on the stats sheet. Grant Fuhr is a perfect example of what I'm talking about. His goals-against average and save percentage were very ordinary but he made the saves when he had to and that's all that really matters. Do they stop the puck when it matters. When the game is tied or a team is leading by one, that's when your goaltender has to make the save.
With Desharnais, the stats you can't see are turnovers, takeaways, battles won, scoring chances for when he's on the ice and scoring chances against. Bob Wren had 42 goals and 100 poinst in 1997-98 for the Ducks. Very impressive numbers. Led the team in scoring. But he was minus in the turnover category, minus in the battles won, and minus in the scoring chances for and against when he was on the ice. By scoring chances, I don't mean shots on goal. That's another stat that is so overrated. Shots can be 38-19 in favor of Wheeling but the Cyclones could have eight scoring chances versus Wheeling's six, which means the Cyclones out-chanced them in the game. |
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JTest
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Posted - 01/10/2009 : 10:03:58 AM
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| WOW....some of you are spending way too much time computer typing these long "novel lenght" posts. There are far more important things in life then arguing about minor league hockey... |
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