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Hakeedude
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 Posted - 01/10/2009 : 2:19:14 PM
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| Frankly, I am enjoying a discussion by individuals who obviously know their hockey. Thanks, guys. |
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cove291
(The Next Level!)
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Posted - 01/10/2009 : 4:31:33 PM
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Originally posted by JTest
WOW....some of you are spending way too much time computer typing these long "novel lenght" posts. There are far more important things in life then arguing about minor league hockey...
Pay attention! This is a minor league hockey site. What else should we argue about on here? Anyway our hockey teams are the only winning proffesional teams Cincinnati has/had. Though I do agree they are a little lengthy. |
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Donnie Hockey
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Posted - 01/10/2009 : 5:10:50 PM
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Originally posted by cove291
Anyway our hockey teams are the only winning proffesional teams Cincinnati has/had.
The Reds have won the World Series multiple times and the Bengals have been to two Super Bowls. The Swords won the Calder Cup and the Mohawks won five consecutive Turner Cups. The Cyclones are not the only winning professional team Cincinnati has had.
BTW ... the Cyclones only one game above .500 this season. They've lost something like eight of their last nine at home. Take away SO wins and they're below .500. |
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Puckhead60
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Posted - 01/10/2009 : 6:01:29 PM
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Originally posted by Donnie Hockey
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Originally posted by cove291
Anyway our hockey teams are the only winning proffesional teams Cincinnati has/had.
The Reds have won the World Series multiple times and the Bengals have been to two Super Bowls. The Swords won the Calder Cup and the Mohawks won five consecutive Turner Cups. The Cyclones are not the only winning professional team Cincinnati has had.
BTW ... the Cyclones only one game above .500 this season. They've lost something like eight of their last nine at home. Take away SO wins and they're below .500.
Yes, and take away the regulation wins and they're at .000 at home! Wow! |
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Donnie Hockey
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Posted - 01/10/2009 : 6:10:34 PM
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Originally posted by Puckhead60
Yes, and take away the regulation wins and they're at .000 at home! Wow!
Wrong! Teams get a point for overtime and shootout losses. They could go 0-0-36 at home and their percentage would be .500 because they would have earned 36 of a possible 72 points.
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Hockey Traveller
(The Next Level!)
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Posted - 01/11/2009 : 12:38:27 AM
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cove291
(The Next Level!)
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Posted - 01/11/2009 : 5:52:03 PM
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Originally posted by Donnie Hockey
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Originally posted by Puckhead60
Yes, and take away the regulation wins and they're at .000 at home! Wow!
Wrong! Teams get a point for overtime and shootout losses. They could go 0-0-36 at home and their percentage would be .500 because they would have earned 36 of a possible 72 points.
When I was talking about winning hockey teams I was talking about the last 4 years including the Ducks which the Cyclones have made the playoffs the last two years and the Ducks made the playoffs for at least the last two years of thier existence. The Bengals and Reds have been horrible lately and was just trying to say even though all we have had in Cincy is minor league hockey, they have had better records than our Big league teams. |
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Hockey Traveller
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Posted - 01/12/2009 : 12:32:10 AM
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The Bengals went to the playoffs in '05, which was 4 years ago.
Hey, you like what you like. The winning only matters to Cyclones fans. Reds and Bengals fans couldn't care less what the Cyclones record is, unless they are also Cyclones fans. Some Cyclones fans couldn't care less if the Reds win the World Series or the Bengals win the Super Bowl, because they are just hockey fans, and don't care for baseball or football.
If the Reds or Bengals won championships, and the Cyclones were perennial losers, Cyclones fans wouldn't automatically gain interest in baseball and football just because those teams advertised their winning, or because some fan went on a message board and said "We have the winning team(s) in town". |
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elvis77
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Posted - 01/12/2009 : 08:35:01 AM
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Originally posted by Hockey Traveller
The Bengals went to the playoffs in '05, which was 4 years ago.
Hey, you like what you like. The winning only matters to Cyclones fans. Reds and Bengals fans couldn't care less what the Cyclones record is, unless they are also Cyclones fans. Some Cyclones fans couldn't care less if the Reds win the World Series or the Bengals win the Super Bowl, because they are just hockey fans, and don't care for baseball or football.
If the Reds or Bengals won championships, and the Cyclones were perennial losers, Cyclones fans wouldn't automatically gain interest in baseball and football just because those teams advertised their winning, or because some fan went on a message board and said "We have the winning team(s) in town".
the general basis of this is true, however, we live in a city that embraces winners regardless of the sport. people in this town will go to a game, regardless of the sport and their knowledge of it. yes, people have their preferences, but i can remember back a few year to when UC basketball sold out every game and Xavier couldn't get the cintas center half full. now, Xavier fills the cintas center, UC plays for a praticaly empty arena, i know know many "die hard" UC fans who said they'd never buy tickets to Xavier games that are now season ticket holders for them.
people in this city like winners, so the fact the the cyclones have put 2 winning seasons together so far, both of which lead to deep playoff runs and the 2nd ultimately resulting in the first professional championship for the city in over 15 years is something the team should market. last season in the finals, we had record crowds and it was even in the midst of reds season. but you are correct, it's hard to convert football or baseball fans into hockey fans. hockey, much like soccer, is a sport that most people find confusing. luckily we live i a city that has more "casual" sports fan than anything else and those fans just like to see winners. |
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cove291
(The Next Level!)
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Posted - 01/12/2009 : 09:26:33 AM
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Originally posted by Puckhead60
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Originally posted by Donnie Hockey
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Originally posted by cove291
Anyway our hockey teams are the only winning proffesional teams Cincinnati has/had.
The Reds have won the World Series multiple times and the Bengals have been to two Super Bowls. The Swords won the Calder Cup and the Mohawks won five consecutive Turner Cups. The Cyclones are not the only winning professional team Cincinnati has had.
BTW ... the Cyclones only one game above .500 this season. They've lost something like eight of their last nine at home. Take away SO wins and they're below .500.
Yes, and take away the regulation wins and they're at .000 at home! Wow!
Wow is right....because you can't count...they do have some wins at home during regulation...not many but they do have some...you sound like an idiot with your last comment.
And to make things clear I support all Cincinnati Professional teams including the Reds and Bengals, though I have been let down year after year (thats why I may seem bitter towards them), but hockey is my favorite sport! |
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SCUBA
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Posted - 01/12/2009 : 12:45:43 PM
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| I just want to mention something, 1 thing and we have gone over it a thousand times, usually I get run out of town for the comment but some of you are aluding to something that I have always held onto and that is the NHL here. We all contend that Cincy is not a minor league city, alot if not all have made comments about how the NHL wouldn't work here but isn't that the reason why It would work...because cincy IS a major league city? add to that a team that is dedicatd to winning and I'm thinking the Bengals would be displaced. Not to bring up an old subject but folks usually run me out when the topic comes up.....but the NHL is the major leagues and if you can get 45-50,000 fans to see a loosing bengals team then I have always been certain the NHL could work, now all I need is a few, many millions of dollars.....just one more thing on my check off sheet, money.....garage sale, yeah that will work |
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elvis77
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Posted - 01/12/2009 : 3:31:13 PM
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scuba that is an interesting spin on things and it does make sense however, a few things would have to happen for cincinnati could get an nhl franchise.
- columbus would have to fold. from what i understand a big part of why columbus got the bluejackets to begin with was that they could draw from cincinnati, cleveland, indianapolis and wheeling. those cities either have or had minor league hockey at the time therefore showing the potential for additional fan base. it would be interesting to see the stats on this but i would guess that roughly a quarter of jackets attendance comes from outside the greater columbus area (but i could be way off on that). since putting an nhl franchise in cincinnati would take a away a portion of columbus' fan base i doubt the nhl would allow it to happen given that both are considered small market franchises to begin with.
- the arena would need to be torn down and rebuilt from scratch. that seems to be what it takes to attract a franchise. i'm not sure there is an investment group in cincinnati with capital to pull it off, not to mention that i doubt hamilton county tax payers would go for it since they've already build 2 new stadiums recently.
cincinnati's history of having a hockey team would bode well for pulling it off, but it's a doulbe edge sword. as donnie pointed out cincinnati has a long hockey history but none of those teams were long term. the cyclones of the 90's was the most long term but that's based on team name not franchise. one could argue that had the cyclones stayed and grew with the echl rather than move to the ihl that the original franchise may have made it. the point is the saem regardless. it seems cincinnait has seemingly always had hockey, but unfortunately never for the long term. i hope the current cyclones can prove that history wrong and until they do i don't the the nhl will give them a second look regardless... |
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SCUBA
(Been Here Awhile)
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Posted - 01/12/2009 : 3:47:18 PM
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I agree with everything you have said, I excluded the whole Columbus/arena stuff and know without dozens of things happening that the chances of NHL in Cincy is virtually impossible. I will tell you one thing though...the NHL higher ups excluded, the Bengals I think are in a very difficult situation and I believe that they cannot afford to have another poor season....If the NHL were to come into Cincinnati and an ownership committed to winning the atmosphere here in Cincinnati for a Winning Pro sports franchise would be ripe. I have heard from various studies that indicate that Cincinnati is an oversaturated sports city as it is, however those studies do not take into account the records or the playing performance of the teams that are already here....1 winning NHL team into Cincinnati and the bengals or reds could be the odd man out
I have heard it from friends of mine who were IHL Cyclones fans whom we have not seen at a hockey game since the Clones left the IHL, they simply do not appreciate the ECHL, and thousands here feel that the effort is not worth it to attend a minor league sporting event and with thousands of fans flocking to the Bengals and Reds for more of a social event instead of actually enjoying the sport simply because it is pro sports and Its all about being seen at a Pro sport event. There is no doubt that something keeps folks going to the reds and bengals despite their records....must be because its's just the thing to do...go see pro sports regardless of their performance |
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cloneinator
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Posted - 01/13/2009 : 09:52:43 AM
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Originally posted by SCUBA
I agree with everything you have said, I excluded the whole Columbus/arena stuff and know without dozens of things happening that the chances of NHL in Cincy is virtually impossible. I will tell you one thing though...the NHL higher ups excluded, the Bengals I think are in a very difficult situation and I believe that they cannot afford to have another poor season....If the NHL were to come into Cincinnati and an ownership committed to winning the atmosphere here in Cincinnati for a Winning Pro sports franchise would be ripe. I have heard from various studies that indicate that Cincinnati is an oversaturated sports city as it is, however those studies do not take into account the records or the playing performance of the teams that are already here....1 winning NHL team into Cincinnati and the bengals or reds could be the odd man out
I have heard it from friends of mine who were IHL Cyclones fans whom we have not seen at a hockey game since the Clones left the IHL, they simply do not appreciate the ECHL, and thousands here feel that the effort is not worth it to attend a minor league sporting event and with thousands of fans flocking to the Bengals and Reds for more of a social event instead of actually enjoying the sport simply because it is pro sports and Its all about being seen at a Pro sport event. There is no doubt that something keeps folks going to the reds and bengals despite their records....must be because its's just the thing to do...go see pro sports regardless of their performance
That's funny you should say that. I really quit following the Bungles and Deads when the Cyclones came back because I have grown tired of the same excuses year after year. I definitely agree with you though. The attendance seems to pick up in January right after football until baseball gets going. Last year attendance stayed strong through the Cup run, probably because of that. |
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CincinnatiFan
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Posted - 01/13/2009 : 11:31:26 PM
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I don't think there is a snowball's chance in Hell of NHL in Cincinnati but for the sake of discussion I will ask the question.
Do we really want NHL? I pay $10 and sit 3rd row back from the glass for 20 to 30 games a year (plus playoffs). I think I paid $42 dollars per ticket in Columbus and I was in the second row from the top. I wouldn't mind paying a little more if we could get the AHL back in Cincinnati but NHL ticket prices would keep me home most nights. |
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