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Donnie Hockey
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 Posted - 11/13/2013 : 2:34:56 PM
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Originally posted by SCUBA
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Originally posted by Donnie Hockey
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Originally posted by SCUBA
That wasn't the only reason.
Ownership wouldn't allow Ron Smith to trade Biggs until they ran into financial problems and were having trouble meeting payroll.
Smith had a deal in place with the Detroit Vipers late in the 1995-96 season involving Biggs and ownership wouldn't allow it, fearing fan backlash. The trade would have improved the team and better positioned them for a run at the Turner Cup. But three seasons later, and with a sea of red ink all around them, Smith was given the green light to move him.
Smith took some heat from fans for the deal but in addition to moving a highly-priced third line center (that's what Biggs had become by that point in his Cyclones career) to create some financial relief, he also made what people around the IHL thought was a good hockey trade getting Knipscheer. He was faster and a better all-around player than Biggs.
I'm telling you, that isn't the whole reason that Biggs was traded. You claim that you have insider info on alot of things, in this instance I have too being told by one of the parties involved, it was a heated time when Don was sent packing to Utah so maybe it didn't go down the way it was described to me but nevertheless. There are always two sides to a story.
Believe what you want.
Will you be at the game tonight? |
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danc
(The Next Level!)
114 Posts |
Posted - 11/13/2013 : 3:30:19 PM
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Originally posted by Billy Mays
Embach and Bodie were just traded to make room for Cornet & Shaw. The only other choices to trade were Eves and Birkholz, they are the only forwards who are left that are ours.
I doubt Crowder is an affiliated player. He's 28 years old.
I don't know about Lefevre or Saponari.
It seems pretty clear that Simon wants to get rid of most of the core of last season's team, a team which was good enough to win the Kelly Cup.
Embach, Pelech, and Aubin aren't AHL prospects. They are the type of players around whom solid ECHL teams are built. Embach started to really bloom as a scorer in the second half of last season and had an outstanding playoff run. Pelech and Aubin were both proven PPG type players.
It's the coach's prerogative to build a team how he wants. I get it. I'm just not too thrilled with his decisions to this point.
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SCUBA
(Been Here Awhile)
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Posted - 11/13/2013 : 3:54:50 PM
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Originally posted by danc
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Originally posted by Billy Mays
Embach and Bodie were just traded to make room for Cornet & Shaw. The only other choices to trade were Eves and Birkholz, they are the only forwards who are left that are ours.
I doubt Crowder is an affiliated player. He's 28 years old.
I don't know about Lefevre or Saponari.
It seems pretty clear that Simon wants to get rid of most of the core of last season's team, a team which was good enough to win the Kelly Cup.
Embach, Pelech, and Aubin aren't AHL prospects. They are the type of players around whom solid ECHL teams are built. Embach started to really bloom as a scorer in the second half of last season and had an outstanding playoff run. Pelech and Aubin were both proven PPG type players.
It's the coach's prerogative to build a team how he wants. I get it. I'm just not too thrilled with his decisions to this point.
I suppose i'm a little confused. Being 7-1 and without the aid of the above, to this point the team has managed to scrap themselves to a respectible start to the season wouldn't you say? I think what others have tried to allude to is so far we haven't missed any production from them. Sure, we would like to get more PP production but we have been historically, it seems, troubled in that catagory. Time will only tell |
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SCUBA
(Been Here Awhile)
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584 Posts |
Posted - 11/13/2013 : 4:03:03 PM
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Originally posted by Donnie Hockey
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Originally posted by SCUBA
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Originally posted by Donnie Hockey
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Originally posted by SCUBA
That wasn't the only reason.
Ownership wouldn't allow Ron Smith to trade Biggs until they ran into financial problems and were having trouble meeting payroll.
Smith had a deal in place with the Detroit Vipers late in the 1995-96 season involving Biggs and ownership wouldn't allow it, fearing fan backlash. The trade would have improved the team and better positioned them for a run at the Turner Cup. But three seasons later, and with a sea of red ink all around them, Smith was given the green light to move him.
Smith took some heat from fans for the deal but in addition to moving a highly-priced third line center (that's what Biggs had become by that point in his Cyclones career) to create some financial relief, he also made what people around the IHL thought was a good hockey trade getting Knipscheer. He was faster and a better all-around player than Biggs.
I'm telling you, that isn't the whole reason that Biggs was traded. You claim that you have insider info on alot of things, in this instance I have too being told by one of the parties involved, it was a heated time when Don was sent packing to Utah so maybe it didn't go down the way it was described to me but nevertheless. There are always two sides to a story.
Believe what you want.
Will you be at the game tonight?
No afraid not, working tonight. One of these days I would not mind running into you. I see you from time to time at Kings Island and did a few weeks back when you were taking pictures at a Kings Island halloween event, I was wearing a Clone jersey. I shake my head, we have taken runs at each other but in the end I have NOTHING against you. |
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danc
(The Next Level!)
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Posted - 11/13/2013 : 4:13:46 PM
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Originally posted by SCUBA
I suppose i'm a little confused. Being 7-1 and without the aid of the above, to this point the team has managed to scrap themselves to a respectible start to the season wouldn't you say? I think what others have tried to allude to is so far we haven't missed any production from them. Sure, we would like to get more PP production but we have been historically, it seems, troubled in that catagory. Time will only tell
The start has been very good. No objections here. I'm concerned about where the offense might be in mid season.
A large percentage of the goals this season have been provided by two Megan (8) and MacFarland (6). These two are both affiliated players with very nice hockey pedigrees and I can't see them being part of this team for long.
Megan was captain of his team at BU under the legendary Jack Parker and MacFarland was the first overall pick of the 2008 OHL draft. Both aren't NHL-ready (and may never be, I don't know), but I can't see either spending much time in the ECHL. They're both too good for it.
Once they're back in San Antonio, the scoring of MA, MP, and ME will be missed.
Does Simon have an issue with guys whose first names start with M? Only one M left. Coach Matt. Another Skalde holdover.
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danc
(The Next Level!)
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Posted - 11/13/2013 : 4:23:07 PM
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Almeida isn't affiliated either, I don't think.
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SCUBA
(Been Here Awhile)
USA
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Posted - 11/13/2013 : 4:38:12 PM
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| I think those are great points but alas, it is minor league hockey. There are times where we have had BIG goalie problems but somehow they worked out. Time will tell, lastly I'm not certain how much control a ECHL coach may or may not have with his team when it comes to simonization....you think? I don't know, but if you follow this team long enough, sometimes you learn to simply cheer on the folks wearing the Cyclones jerseys. I mean, there have been games where I have no idea who is playing for us.I liked Darling in Goal and look where that got me. |
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danc
(The Next Level!)
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Posted - 11/13/2013 : 4:44:22 PM
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I buy your points, SCUBA.
I enjoy the game and I enjoy the level of play. I'll be rooting for the guys to do well.
Still not thrilled with the recent moves, though.
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Donnie Hockey
(Loves To Post!)
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1514 Posts |
Posted - 11/13/2013 : 5:20:31 PM
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Originally posted by SCUBA
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Originally posted by Donnie Hockey
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Originally posted by SCUBA
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Originally posted by Donnie Hockey
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Originally posted by SCUBA
That wasn't the only reason.
Ownership wouldn't allow Ron Smith to trade Biggs until they ran into financial problems and were having trouble meeting payroll.
Smith had a deal in place with the Detroit Vipers late in the 1995-96 season involving Biggs and ownership wouldn't allow it, fearing fan backlash. The trade would have improved the team and better positioned them for a run at the Turner Cup. But three seasons later, and with a sea of red ink all around them, Smith was given the green light to move him.
Smith took some heat from fans for the deal but in addition to moving a highly-priced third line center (that's what Biggs had become by that point in his Cyclones career) to create some financial relief, he also made what people around the IHL thought was a good hockey trade getting Knipscheer. He was faster and a better all-around player than Biggs.
I'm telling you, that isn't the whole reason that Biggs was traded. You claim that you have insider info on alot of things, in this instance I have too being told by one of the parties involved, it was a heated time when Don was sent packing to Utah so maybe it didn't go down the way it was described to me but nevertheless. There are always two sides to a story.
Believe what you want.
Will you be at the game tonight?
No afraid not, working tonight. One of these days I would not mind running into you. I see you from time to time at Kings Island and did a few weeks back when you were taking pictures at a Kings Island halloween event, I was wearing a Clone jersey. I shake my head, we have taken runs at each other but in the end I have NOTHING against you.
I'm sure I'll get to another game or two this season. |
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BobbySac
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Posted - 11/14/2013 : 11:22:54 AM
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Originally posted by danc
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Embach, Pelech, and Aubin aren't AHL prospects. They are the type of players around whom solid ECHL teams are built. Embach started to really bloom as a scorer in the second half of last season and had an outstanding playoff run. Pelech and Aubin were both proven PPG type players.
It's the coach's prerogative to build a team how he wants. I get it. I'm just not too thrilled with his decisions to this point.
Pelech and Aubin would have been released or traded from just about any team out there after their actions. Simon really had no choice on those two. |
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Reggie Dunlop
(The Next Level!)
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Posted - 11/14/2013 : 1:10:21 PM
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Originally posted by BobbySac
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Originally posted by danc
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Embach, Pelech, and Aubin aren't AHL prospects. They are the type of players around whom solid ECHL teams are built. Embach started to really bloom as a scorer in the second half of last season and had an outstanding playoff run. Pelech and Aubin were both proven PPG type players.
It's the coach's prerogative to build a team how he wants. I get it. I'm just not too thrilled with his decisions to this point.
Pelech and Aubin would have been released or traded from just about any team out there after their actions. Simon really had no choice on those two.
Please clarify these actions. Many of us are still unaware of what transpired. |
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elvis77
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Posted - 11/14/2013 : 1:29:37 PM
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Paul Crowder is under contract with Milwaukee http://www.cycloneshockey.com/connect/blog/257/paul-crowder-assigned-to-cyclones/
Barry Almeida is under contract with Milwaukee http://www.cycloneshockey.com/connect/blog/255/admirals-assign-four-to-cyclones/
The only players left which are unaffiliated are forwards Dan Eves and Josh Birkholz, and defensemen Antione Corbin, Drew Daniels, Brett Wysopal, David MacDonald and Chris Reed. That's right just seven players. Everyone else is affiliated. Affiliated players aren't necessarily always nhl prospects; more often than not, they're ahl depth players who get assigned here to make room for the nhl prospects. John McFarland, as a 2nd round pick is a legit NHL prospect who's here to get playing time, rather than get 3rd or 4th line minutes in the AHL. Wade Megan on the other hand is a 5th round pick. He's got his work cut out for him if he wants a nhl contract past his entry level deal. Granted, he's off to a great start and I hope he's the exception, but most 4th and 5th round picks don't make it. |
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Apocalypse Sticks
(The Next Level!)
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Posted - 11/14/2013 : 1:47:29 PM
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Originally posted by Reggie Dunlop
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Originally posted by BobbySac
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Originally posted by danc
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Embach, Pelech, and Aubin aren't AHL prospects. They are the type of players around whom solid ECHL teams are built. Embach started to really bloom as a scorer in the second half of last season and had an outstanding playoff run. Pelech and Aubin were both proven PPG type players.
It's the coach's prerogative to build a team how he wants. I get it. I'm just not too thrilled with his decisions to this point.
Pelech and Aubin would have been released or traded from just about any team out there after their actions. Simon really had no choice on those two.
Please clarify these actions. Many of us are still unaware of what transpired.
You can only know what happened if you have the Don Biggs Secret Decoder Ring. |
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danc
(The Next Level!)
114 Posts |
Posted - 11/14/2013 : 1:59:26 PM
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Originally posted by BobbySac
Pelech and Aubin would have been released or traded from just about any team out there after their actions. Simon really had no choice on those two.
BS. He had plenty of choice. He just chose to make an extremely minor incident an excuse to get rid of them.
Last two games a grand total of 4 goals. 2 of them softies by d-men Aronson and MacDonald. The other 2 by Megan and MacFarland.
This could get ugly when MacF and Megan get recalled.
Also, great "choice" of getting rid of Embach. Hugely popular in the locker room and the leading scorer in the playoffs last year. Embach let Skalde put him on the 21 day IR last year instead of taking a trade. He was willing to place the team above his own spot in the line up. Probably would have done it again. So much for the alleged high character standards of the new coach.
Again, it's the coach's right to trade who he wants for whatever reason. But to claim that Simon had "no choice" in the matter is disingenuous.
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new_cyclones_fan
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